attraction force on electromagnets

[Camilo Andres Gil Cardona]

hi everybody. the question is simple: what's the formula to calculate
attraction force of an electromagnet (in newtons) ? other question:
has repulsion force between two magnets, the same value that
attraction force between those same magnets?

 

[Paul Draper]

camilogil@100cia.zzn.com (Camilo Andres Gil Cardona) wrote in message news:<c54ff370.0410011422.77f6d4eb@posting.google.com>...

hi everybody. the question is simple: what's the formula to calculate
attraction force of an electromagnet (in newtons) ? other question:
has repulsion force between two magnets, the same value that
attraction force between those same magnets?

The answer to the second question is yes, provided the N and S poles
of a given magnet are shaped the same way.

The answer to the first question is not as simple as you would hope.
It depends one whether the magnet is a horseshoe magnet, a bar magnet,
a solenoid, a toroid, whether there's a ferric core,...

PD

 

[Paul Draper]

pdraper@yahoo.com (Paul Draper) wrote in message news:<74768d2d.0410011907.157cbba7@posting.google.com>...

camilogil@100cia.zzn.com (Camilo Andres Gil Cardona) wrote in message news:<c54ff370.0410011422.77f6d4eb@posting.google.com>...
hi everybody. the question is simple: what's the formula to calculate
attraction force of an electromagnet (in newtons) ? other question:
has repulsion force between two magnets, the same value that
attraction force between those same magnets?

The answer to the second question is yes, provided the N and S poles
of a given magnet are shaped the same way.

The answer to the first question is not as simple as you would hope.
It depends one whether the magnet is a horseshoe magnet, a bar magnet,
a solenoid, a toroid, whether there's a ferric core,...

As a personally interesting anecdote, I was once responsible for the
design, construction, and operation of a 250,000 lb iron-core toroidal
magnet. I chose to instrument it with a Hall probe, embedded in a thin
slot in one side. But the slot itself would disturb the field, which I
had to account for. I proposed a linear model to calculate that,
superimposing a piece of "negative iron" where the slot was, and
calculating the total field of the magnet, against which I could
compare the Hall probe measurement. This approach was deemed clever by
my professors until a young post-doc pointed out to me, in a fatherly
conversation in the hallway, that iron core magnets are nonlinear
beasts and superposition doesn't work, a revelation that left me sick
to my stomach. Sure enough, the Hall probe read values that were
inconsistent with calculations and with the backup instrumentation. I
ended up doing a very complicated lattice-relaxation calculation on a
mainframe computer to compute the field.

PD