Army mutiny in Russia...

[Anthony William Sloman]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.

Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.

Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.

> Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.

They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.

It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay.. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand. And you talk about credibility?

Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.
They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.

The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Öö Tiib]

On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 15:25:32 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.
It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand. And you talk about credibility?
Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.
They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.
The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.

It is over ... Prigozhin will move to Belarus, and his troops will return to positions without him.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 10:25:32 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.

It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand.

Or so you like to think. You haven\'t identified the post involved and I suspect that you are going in for wishful thinking. Your ideas about western vaccine development are distinctly strange. and none stranger than your delusion that you have privileged insight into the process.

> And you talk about credibility?

I don\'t have to bother.

Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.

They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.

The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.

Armies have to be moved to where there are battles to be fought. A rabble is disorganised and hard to move as a coherent mass. I think you\'d better think that out again.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 5:50:06 AM UTC-7, Öö Tiib wrote:

On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 15:25:32 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.
It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand. And you talk about credibility?
Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.
They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.
The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.


It is over ... Prigozhin will move to Belarus, and his troops will return to positions without him.

He should move to Hague.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee>
wrote:

On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 15:25:32 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.
It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand. And you talk about credibility?
Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.
They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.
The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.


It is over ... Prigozhin will move to Belarus, and his troops will return to positions without him.

Or he will take over Belarus and threaten Moscow with nukes.

As he was marching on Moscow, russians in the steets were cheering
him. Those were probably the fraction of the population that didn\'t
dare state their feelings in front of cameras.

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 6/25/2023 23:02, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee
wrote:

On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 15:25:32 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.
It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand. And you talk about credibility?
Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.
They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.
The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.


It is over ... Prigozhin will move to Belarus, and his troops will return to positions without him.

Or he will take over Belarus and threaten Moscow with nukes.

As he was marching on Moscow, russians in the steets were cheering
him. Those were probably the fraction of the population that didn\'t
dare state their feelings in front of cameras.

I would not read a lot into that.
Plenty of Russians would be cheering anyone marching in.
I know it because this is valid for plenty of Bulgarians, too.
They live expecting the next \"liberator\" who will fix things.
Or rather, they die waiting.

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 6/25/2023 9:21, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Looks like it has been an organized publicity stunt.
They now build barracks <200 km from the Ukranian border with
Belarus. Whether they mean to launch an attack on Kiev from there
or it is only about Kiev allocating forces there is yet to be seen.

Putin is obviously quite certain his power is beyond challenge,
otherwise he would not have made himself look weak.
It is a trick. I doubt Zelensky can be tricked but all western
analysts I have read/listened to have been tricked.

 

[Öö Tiib]

On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 23:41:07 UTC+3, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:

On 6/25/2023 23:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Öö Tiib <oot...@hot..ee
wrote:

On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 15:25:32 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 7:25:22?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:46:42?PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 2:21:08?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/24/spitting-on-soldiers-graves-russians-react-to-wagner-mutiny

Sort of interesting. Putin isn\'t keeping his mercenaries happy, which is never a good approach. Whether a few peevish soldier can act as the nucleus of a larger up-rising is uncertain. It has happened, but not all that often.

Crummy article, it\'s a collection hyperbolic statements made by political hacks and fanatics, people with zero credibility on a good day.
Says Fred Bloggs, who hasn\'t got any credibility of his own and doesn\'t seem to have been able to find anything better. Al Jazeera doesn\'t at least seem to have an axe to grind. which is why I went for their report.
It\'s a crummy article, format is a joke, every bit of it is tainted hearsay. That link is almost as bad as your link to a phony research paper mandated by the PRC to undermine confidence in western vaccine development, which to this day you\'re too dull to understand. And you talk about credibility?
Wagner group is little better than 21st century version of the medieval rabble army concept.
They are supposed to be the sweepings of the Russian prisons, rather than conscripted serfs - not a medieval concept.
The rabble armies were entire groups of rabble, men, women, and children. They were always slaughtered whenever used, and that might have been the real reason for using them, to get rid of the overpopulation of expendables.


It is over ... Prigozhin will move to Belarus, and his troops will return to positions without him.

Or he will take over Belarus and threaten Moscow with nukes.

As he was marching on Moscow, russians in the steets were cheering
him. Those were probably the fraction of the population that didn\'t
dare state their feelings in front of cameras.

I would not read a lot into that.
Plenty of Russians would be cheering anyone marching in.
I know it because this is valid for plenty of Bulgarians, too.
They live expecting the next \"liberator\" who will fix things.
Or rather, they die waiting.

I did not read that from information we have seen.
My impression was that people were cheerful *after*
warlord Prigozhin called off the march on Moscow and
agreed to exile to Belarus. People were indeed happy
that battle did not happen in their city. I do not think
there is low popularity of Putin in Russia nothing to
talk of readiness for civil war. But his acts might be
stirred something up. We will see.