Are there still cordless flip phones?...

[Adrian Caspersz]

On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.

They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century and
not out of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.

Her usual phone use is to pick up a receiver and dial ...

I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled \"talk\" and
\"end\". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.

--
Adrian C

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.

They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century and not out
of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not fathom out that
the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make the call. And the
red button to end it.

You can also press the green button before dialling.

You can set them to answer when the phone is opened, but
obviously then you can\'t check to see whether you want
to answer.

An advantage for the deaf is that they have a decently
loud speaker.

Her usual phone use is to pick up a receiver and dial ...

I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled \"talk\" and \"end\". Much
better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice assistant prompt.

I would expect that level of sophistication would come
with other confusing sophistication. KISS

 

[Adrian Caspersz]

On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.

They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century
and not out of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.

You can also press the green button before dialling.

The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone actually
connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the user has
finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it\'s right

You can set them to answer when the phone is opened, but
obviously then you can\'t check to see whether you want
to answer.

An advantage for the deaf is that they have a decently
loud speaker.

Ah, is it a real loud speaker or is it the hands-free speaker misused?

The problem with the latter, is although the phone user can place the
outrageously loud speaker to their ear to hear, it\'s the poor recipient
at the other end that has to cope with the clipped distortion from a
microphone amplifier previously adjusted for hands-free use.

I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled \"talk\" and
\"end\". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.

I would expect that level of sophistication would come
with other confusing sophistication. KISS

Tech needs to go to this level, look what\'s on the top of the radio and
hidden in the back.

Dementia / Alzheimer’s DAB+ & FM RADIO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCw9bUJ6q8

(Stupid idea to include an MP3 player)

--
Adrian C

 

[Joerg]

On 3/16/22 7:47 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.

They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century
and not out of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.

You can also press the green button before dialling.

The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone actually
connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the user has
finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it\'s right

Exactly! Even my Android smart phone can do that, so why not the
\"modern\" flip phones?

It isn\'t really rocket science to emulate a POTS phone. Or maybe to some
telephone design engineers it is ...

You can set them to answer when the phone is opened, but
obviously then you can\'t check to see whether you want
to answer.

An advantage for the deaf is that they have a decently
loud speaker.


Ah, is it a real loud speaker or is it the hands-free speaker misused?

The problem with the latter, is although the phone user can place the
outrageously loud speaker to their ear to hear, it\'s the poor recipient
at the other end that has to cope with the clipped distortion from a
microphone amplifier previously adjusted for hands-free use.

It\'s a matter of how good the design engineers are. On my Samsung smart
phone this works. I can use it in hands-free mode and hold it to my ear.
Of course I will not do that for long because it\'s so loud that
eventually inner ear damage can result. I\'ve done it a few times, very
briefly, in situations where there was extreme noise around me and I had
to answer a call to tell them I\'ll call right back when away from the
noise source.

I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled \"talk\" and
\"end\". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.

I would expect that level of sophistication would come
with other confusing sophistication. KISS

Tech needs to go to this level, look what\'s on the top of the radio and
hidden in the back.

Dementia / Alzheimer’s DAB+ & FM RADIO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCw9bUJ6q8

(Stupid idea to include an MP3 player)

Main thing is you have to try stuff out in the field extensively and
with real customers. In med-tech we did this all the time but
unfortunately that doesn\'t happen in other fields.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Joerg wrote:

On 3/16/22 7:47 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.

They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century
and not out of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not
fathom out that the green button is pressed after typing the number,
to make the call. And the red button to end it.

You can also press the green button before dialling.

The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone
actually connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the
user has finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it\'s right


Exactly! Even my Android smart phone can do that, so why not the
\"modern\" flip phones?

It isn\'t really rocket science to emulate a POTS phone. Or maybe to some
telephone design engineers it is ...

I\'m still waiting for full duplex voice.

We all grew up having crystal-clear FDX phones--how did they ever get us
to settle for these stupid walkie-talkie things?

Just one chatterbox on a cell phone wreaks havoc on a phone meeting.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Joerg]

On 3/16/22 12:31 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Joerg wrote:
On 3/16/22 7:47 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 16/03/2022 12:44, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/03/22 12:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.

They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th
century and not out of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not
fathom out that the green button is pressed after typing the
number, to make the call. And the red button to end it.

You can also press the green button before dialling.

The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone
actually connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the
user has finished pressing buttons. Hopefully it\'s right


Exactly! Even my Android smart phone can do that, so why not the
\"modern\" flip phones?

It isn\'t really rocket science to emulate a POTS phone. Or maybe to
some telephone design engineers it is ...


I\'m still waiting for full duplex voice.

We all grew up having crystal-clear FDX phones--how did they ever get us
to settle for these stupid walkie-talkie things?

Just one chatterbox on a cell phone wreaks havoc on a phone meeting.

Just use morse code via ham radio in full-QSK mode (full break-in).
Everybody can chime in at any time, in milliseconds.



I am not at that performance level yet because the experts go at a high
speed but I\'ve heard groups where it almost sounded like the inside of a
beehive.

One of the worst developments in phones was when companies switched to
internal VoIP over their usual LAN. I\'ve had many cases where a guy had
to whip out his cell phone and call again because his office phone
became unintelligible. Or it was \"Let me call you back from the stock
room, they\'ve still got a real phone-phone\".

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[Don Y]

On 3/16/2022 7:47 AM, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

You can also press the green button before dialling.

The way mobile phone dialling works, that means that the phone actually
connects the number after a short wait when it thinks the user has finished
pressing buttons. Hopefully it\'s right

A dialer should be smart enough to understand the notion of a \"dialing plan\".
E.g., if the user types \"911\" (USA), that\'s the *entire* number; dial it NOW.
Likewise, 555-1212. Or, (617) 234-5678. Or, 1 (703) 876-5432. (I.e. the
dialer can recognize area codes, leading \'1\', special numbers, etc. instead
of blindly \"counting digits\".)

Naive dialers implement a (no digit detected) timeout and force the user to
wait for that to elapse before dialing the number.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:49:52 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:

On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:

Lol, I\'ve had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn\'t even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to \"dial\" and \"navigate\" and
\"play\" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.

--

touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]

In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!

+42

+43
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we\'re at the point of cognitive overload to be able to \"blindly\"
recall where a specific control is located.

I purposely bought one that doesn\'t. My current car doesn\'t even have
power locks or power windows. Didn\'t want them. What ain\'t there can\'t
break.

Why do you have a car then?

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:

Lol, I\'ve had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn\'t even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to \"dial\" and \"navigate\" and
\"play\" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.

--

touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]

In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!

That is absolutely true. I could find any control on the dash by feel in my 1997 T100. Never had to take my eyes off the road. My Tesla X causes me to stop looking at the road for many seconds if I want to do pretty much anything that isn\'t on the stalks. A touch to the panel can easily be interpreted wrong because of the car moving while my arm is extended.

While having the touch panel is essential to control all the features, it should not be the only means of controlling things like wipers. The V.11 update has taken more things off the screen as one touch controls and required bringing up other screens to access them, like HVAC accessories, etc. This latest update has been a HUGE step backwards. Lots of owners are complaining about it.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 15/03/22 22:49, Joerg wrote:
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:

Lol, I\'ve had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn\'t even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to \"dial\" and \"navigate\" and
\"play\" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.

--

touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]

In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!
As I\'ve mentioned before, the Tesla salesman couldn\'t use
the touchscreen to turn on window demisting. He tried
voice activation, and managed to turn on under-seat heating.

Now try doing that when in rush hour traffic by a school,
or when some idiot cuts you up, or there is a big tarmac
patch interpreted as a hole in road.

The one saving grace in the Tesla is that the car is driving, not me, while I try to find a control. But eventually those distractions will catch me off guard and BOOM! But the car does a fairly good job. In fact, when I\'m coming up on traffic at a light, I will put the autopilot ON just so it will stop the car and I don\'t have to bother.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 8:36:36 AM UTC-4, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 13/03/2022 08:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 13/03/22 05:27, Joerg wrote:

I have cellular flip phone so I can bury it in my
pocket, but they are rare. Doro makes such phones for
the elderly at reasonable prices.
They still need some work, some folks are barely in the 20th century and
not out of it.

A friend purchased a Doro phone she couldn\'t use, as could not fathom
out that the green button is pressed after typing the number, to make
the call. And the red button to end it.

Her usual phone use is to pick up a receiver and dial ...

I note the Uniden phone linked has those buttons labelled \"talk\" and
\"end\". Much better, but scrap the memories and display. Use a voice
assistant prompt.

That\'s odd. Here flip phones have a green button to start or end the call and a red button to turn power on/off.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Joerg]

On 3/16/22 7:23 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 6:49:52 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 3/15/22 3:35 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 3/15/2022 12:32 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-03-15 18:34, Rich S wrote:

Lol, I\'ve had my smart phone sense a touch when I didn\'t even touch
the screen. In the car the screen is not so sensitive, but it is
terrible about thinking a touch was a swipe because the car moved
as I touched the screen. A touch screen is a terrible idea in a
moving car. You would think some of the effort in the millions of
lines of code would be for voice control for most of the features
in the car, but it only responds to \"dial\" and \"navigate\" and
\"play\" sorts of commands. Even my bleeding phone will tell me what
10,000 divided by 365 is. The answer is 42. Seems like the answer
is always 42, no matter the question. Hmmm... maybe I have the
wrong phone.

--

touchscreens can get flaky if the surface is gunked up so routine
cleaning might help ;-) [...]

In a car, the only user interface should be buttons and levers
that your fingers can find and recognize by touch. All else is
BAD!

+42

+43
OTOH, cars have an ever increasing number of controls. I suspect
we\'re at the point of cognitive overload to be able to \"blindly\"
recall where a specific control is located.

I purposely bought one that doesn\'t. My current car doesn\'t even have
power locks or power windows. Didn\'t want them. What ain\'t there can\'t
break.

Why do you have a car then?

Simple. Because I need one for the odd jobs that require schlepping lots
of stuff. Food from Costco, fuel pellets, firewood. Kind of tough to do
via bicycle. These jobs do not require power lock or windows. In fact,
none does.

I drive less than 1500mi/year in cars and ride about 4000mi/year on
bicycles. The non-assisted and purely muscle-powered kind. To me, talk
about the environment is cheap, it\'s personal action that counts.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/