Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

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Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

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On 10/09/2018 07:32, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?
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Yes, just like self-posting morons from Hong Kong. They are both 'a kind
of robot'. (Self-driving cars are marginally more intelligent, and
vastly more useful.)
 
On 9/10/2018 1:50 PM, Jenny Telia wrote:
On 10/09/2018 07:32, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?


Yes, just like self-posting morons from Hong Kong. They are both 'a kind
of robot'. (Self-driving cars are marginally more intelligent, and
vastly more useful.)
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Excellent observation!

Maybe all living organism are just biological robots! :)

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:50:30 +0200, Jenny Telia <jny.telia@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 10/09/2018 07:32, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?


Yes, just like self-posting morons from Hong Kong. They are both 'a kind
of robot'. (Self-driving cars are marginally more intelligent, and
vastly more useful.)
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+1
Self driving cars don't usually crash into completely off
topic places. The moron from chinkilinky does.
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On 9/10/2018 8:38 PM, Shadow wrote:
+1
Self driving cars don't usually crash into completely off
topic places. The moron from chinkilinky does.
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Are you sure about that? Human drivers are still crashing their cars in
events called accidents.

How could A.I. programs, written by human, not err and have accidents?
Do you wanna write the programs yourself? Can you promise if not
guarantee its quality? ;)

Anyway, an interesting analogy you made! ;)

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:32:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?
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I think that rather depends on your definition of robot. A self
driving car is limited to driving, navigation, communication and
telling you what it needs in the way of maintenance.

Is a "welding robot" a robot, or just a programmable welding machine?

I think if the task the machine is designed to perform is limited to a
few things, or one thing, we shouldn't be calling them robots but
programmable machines.

We used these "laboratory robots" that were very versatile. The
machine could pretty much do anything a human could ONCE IT WAS
PROGRAMMED to do whatever function you wanted it to do.

But I still wouldn't call it a robot since it wasn't autonomous. You
didn't tell it to test a chemical compound then just step back and
watch it work, you had to tell it in great detail which gripper to
use, where the samples were, what actions to perform, etc..

To my way of thinking you can't have a robot until you make it
intelligent, autonomous, adaptable, and able to operate and adjust
it's programming based on sensory inputs. Anything less than that
isn't a robot to my way of thinking but maybe it could be called a
robotic machine?
 
On 9/11/2018 2:54 AM, default wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:32:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

I think that rather depends on your definition of robot. A self
driving car is limited to driving, navigation, communication and
telling you what it needs in the way of maintenance.
...
To my way of thinking you can't have a robot until you make it
intelligent, autonomous, adaptable, and able to operate and adjust
it's programming based on sensory inputs. Anything less than that
isn't a robot to my way of thinking but maybe it could be called a
robotic machine?
Click to expand...

Then maybe we need a new way of classifying robots, like taxonomy in
biology?

Class 1, dumb robots aka programmable machines;
Class 2 ....

Something like that?

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:56:51 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/11/2018 2:54 AM, default wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:32:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

I think that rather depends on your definition of robot. A self
driving car is limited to driving, navigation, communication and
telling you what it needs in the way of maintenance.
...
To my way of thinking you can't have a robot until you make it
intelligent, autonomous, adaptable, and able to operate and adjust
it's programming based on sensory inputs. Anything less than that
isn't a robot to my way of thinking but maybe it could be called a
robotic machine?

Then maybe we need a new way of classifying robots, like taxonomy in
biology?

Class 1, dumb robots aka programmable machines;
Class 2 ....

Something like that?
Click to expand...

What do you propose for Class 2 something like programmable but able
to reprogram based on changing circumstances, but not adaptable to
things outside it's design limitations?

It would be nice to share a lexicon so people have some common ground.
Until I come home and have a machine remove my shoes, and hand me a
beer (it thought to do all on it's own) there are no robots.
 
On 11/09/2018 5:14 AM, default wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:56:51 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/11/2018 2:54 AM, default wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:32:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

I think that rather depends on your definition of robot. A self
driving car is limited to driving, navigation, communication and
telling you what it needs in the way of maintenance.
...
To my way of thinking you can't have a robot until you make it
intelligent, autonomous, adaptable, and able to operate and adjust
it's programming based on sensory inputs. Anything less than that
isn't a robot to my way of thinking but maybe it could be called a
robotic machine?

Then maybe we need a new way of classifying robots, like taxonomy in
biology?

Class 1, dumb robots aka programmable machines;
Class 2 ....

Something like that?

What do you propose for Class 2 something like programmable but able
to reprogram based on changing circumstances, but not adaptable to
things outside it's design limitations?

It would be nice to share a lexicon so people have some common ground.
Until I come home and have a machine remove my shoes, and hand me a
beer (it thought to do all on it's own) there are no robots.
Click to expand...

They are available but are expensive to maintain, needing jewellery
clothing holidays etc.
 
On 9/11/2018 9:25 AM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:
They are available but are expensive to maintain, needing jewellery
clothing holidays etc.
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Can robots maintain robots? Maybe robots after all still need human
hands to maintain. And don't about forget the disaster plan for events
like network partition! :)

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On 9/11/2018 2:28 AM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 10-9-2018 7:32, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

No, they are almost legal murder weapons.
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Indeed.... Self-driving cars are not very far from 2D, ground-based
cruise missiles/torpedoes! :)

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:25:44 +0800, Rheilly Phoull
<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:

On 11/09/2018 5:14 AM, default wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:56:51 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/11/2018 2:54 AM, default wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:32:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

I think that rather depends on your definition of robot. A self
driving car is limited to driving, navigation, communication and
telling you what it needs in the way of maintenance.
...
To my way of thinking you can't have a robot until you make it
intelligent, autonomous, adaptable, and able to operate and adjust
it's programming based on sensory inputs. Anything less than that
isn't a robot to my way of thinking but maybe it could be called a
robotic machine?

Then maybe we need a new way of classifying robots, like taxonomy in
biology?

Class 1, dumb robots aka programmable machines;
Class 2 ....

Something like that?

What do you propose for Class 2 something like programmable but able
to reprogram based on changing circumstances, but not adaptable to
things outside it's design limitations?

It would be nice to share a lexicon so people have some common ground.
Until I come home and have a machine remove my shoes, and hand me a
beer (it thought to do all on it's own) there are no robots.


They are available but are expensive to maintain, needing jewellery
clothing holidays etc.
Click to expand...

I do have one of those, she buys me beer but I have to open it myself.
I never bought her a wedding ring... She bought her own. (it just
never occurred to me, we'd already been a couple for ~20 years) She
had the good sense to eschew diamond in favor of an emerald.
 
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:25:44 +0800, Rheilly Phoull
<rheilly@bigslong.com> wrote:

On 11/09/2018 5:14 AM, default wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:56:51 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9/11/2018 2:54 AM, default wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:32:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:


Are self-driving cars also a kind of robots?

I think that rather depends on your definition of robot. A self
driving car is limited to driving, navigation, communication and
telling you what it needs in the way of maintenance.
...
To my way of thinking you can't have a robot until you make it
intelligent, autonomous, adaptable, and able to operate and adjust
it's programming based on sensory inputs. Anything less than that
isn't a robot to my way of thinking but maybe it could be called a
robotic machine?

Then maybe we need a new way of classifying robots, like taxonomy in
biology?

Class 1, dumb robots aka programmable machines;
Class 2 ....

Something like that?

What do you propose for Class 2 something like programmable but able
to reprogram based on changing circumstances, but not adaptable to
things outside it's design limitations?

It would be nice to share a lexicon so people have some common ground.
Until I come home and have a machine remove my shoes, and hand me a
beer (it thought to do all on it's own) there are no robots.


They are available but are expensive to maintain, needing jewellery
clothing holidays etc.
Click to expand...

You did hit on another characteristic necessary to a robot - it can't
be so autonomous that you have to treat it differently than a machine.
Ultimately I can see where sentience will add questions about
morality/ethics in how robots are treated.

When they become religiously afflicted then we are well and truly
fucked.
 
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