Anyone have a trick for getting Husqvarna chainsaw brake kic

[Danny D.]

A bunch of trees fell down on my neighbor's property during the last
pineapple express, and his little Ryobi 8" electric chainsaw wasn't
up to the task because we stripped the hold-down bolt threads:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7348/16576214195_edee2d2572_c.jpg

So I lent him my Husqvarna 18" chainsaw for chopping up the fallen trees:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7455/16388696590_ca981a9d47_z.jpg

End result is that the kickback spring mechanism must have jammed hard,
I think it happened exactly as this picture was taken, actually:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7333/16389857079_8bd6f14257_z.jpg

The result is that I had a devil of a time getting the hold-down cover
off today because the chain break coil was tightly wrapped around the
chainsaw spinning drum:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7285/16388368248_c088a7f82c_c.jpg

I finally was able to loosen the spring circular kickback clamp,
but the spring popped out of his slot in the process:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7288/16389735629_1cf166b3b8_c.jpg

The problem now, is getting the kickback clamp spring back on:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7349/16574371231_5e52e56134_z.jpg

I tried all sorts of leverage tools, but that spring is STRONG!
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7281/16389735569_221282dc75_z.jpg

Anyone know the trick to get that super strong spring back on?

 

[Tom Miller]

"Danny D." <dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A bunch of trees fell down on my neighbor's property during the last
pineapple express, and his little Ryobi 8" electric chainsaw wasn't
up to the task because we stripped the hold-down bolt threads:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7348/16576214195_edee2d2572_c.jpg

So I lent him my Husqvarna 18" chainsaw for chopping up the fallen trees:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7455/16388696590_ca981a9d47_z.jpg

End result is that the kickback spring mechanism must have jammed hard,
I think it happened exactly as this picture was taken, actually:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7333/16389857079_8bd6f14257_z.jpg

The result is that I had a devil of a time getting the hold-down cover
off today because the chain break coil was tightly wrapped around the
chainsaw spinning drum:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7285/16388368248_c088a7f82c_c.jpg

I finally was able to loosen the spring circular kickback clamp,
but the spring popped out of his slot in the process:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7288/16389735629_1cf166b3b8_c.jpg

The problem now, is getting the kickback clamp spring back on:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7349/16574371231_5e52e56134_z.jpg

I tried all sorts of leverage tools, but that spring is STRONG!
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7281/16389735569_221282dc75_z.jpg

Anyone know the trick to get that super strong spring back on?

Search on "coil spring compressor" for some ideas. I would use a couple of
washers with some tabs and a long screw, washer and nut to compress it.

 

[Phil Kangas]

"Danny D." >

Anyone know the trick to get that
super strong spring back on?

Try sliding it down a thin strip of metal.

 

Fucking Christ. Take a Dremel tool and get rid of that shit and just run it. If you ain't strong enough to run a chainsaw, don't run a chainsaw.

Watch your balance, that's all.

 

[Stormin Mormon]

On 2/18/2015 10:24 PM, Tom Miller wrote:

Anyone know the trick to get that super strong spring back on?

Search on "coil spring compressor" for some ideas. I would use a couple
of washers with some tabs and a long screw, washer and nut to compress it.

Did you actually look at the pictures?

I'll admit, I only looked at one or two.
But, the bolt thing won't do much good
here.

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[Pico Rico]

"Danny D." <dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A bunch of trees fell down on my neighbor's property during the last
pineapple express, and his little Ryobi 8" electric chainsaw wasn't
up to the task because we stripped the hold-down bolt threads:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7348/16576214195_edee2d2572_c.jpg

So I lent him my Husqvarna 18" chainsaw for chopping up the fallen trees:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7455/16388696590_ca981a9d47_z.jpg

End result is that the kickback spring mechanism must have jammed hard,
I think it happened exactly as this picture was taken, actually:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7333/16389857079_8bd6f14257_z.jpg

The result is that I had a devil of a time getting the hold-down cover
off today because the chain break coil was tightly wrapped around the
chainsaw spinning drum:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7285/16388368248_c088a7f82c_c.jpg

I finally was able to loosen the spring circular kickback clamp,
but the spring popped out of his slot in the process:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7288/16389735629_1cf166b3b8_c.jpg

The problem now, is getting the kickback clamp spring back on:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7349/16574371231_5e52e56134_z.jpg

I tried all sorts of leverage tools, but that spring is STRONG!
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7281/16389735569_221282dc75_z.jpg

Anyone know the trick to get that super strong spring back on?

do you have a neighbor that is a MAN?

 

[Danny D.]

Jeff Liebermann wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:47:48 -0800:

Model number please?

Looks familiar:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/chain-saws.jpg
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Husqvarna-136-chain-saw.pdf.jpg

Here's a video on how to do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7eKakMCz8
He just uses a pair of big needle nose pliers and brute force.

Hi Jeff,
It's the Husqvarna 445, from the local Lowes and it's about a year
old. My neighbor, who is building that suspension bridge here in the
redwoods in your neck of the woods (a bit further north than you),
borrowed it, and chopped up a nice hard madrone (lovely wood) that
had fallen in the last pineapple express.

You probably lost a few antennas in recent weeks (we did).

Anyway, the video was very helpful. I'm amazed you actually found
that video, because it's EXACTLY what I need to do! You're utterly
amazing, and I don't say that all too lightly.

The video makes it look all so easy, but doesn't mention how fantastically
strong that spring is, and, that it flies out all over the place
(ask me how I know)...

I like the trick of bolting down a hold-down clamp, as that spring
has already bounced all over my garage this morning ...

 

[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:08:56 -0500:

I'll admit, I only looked at one or two.
But, the bolt thing won't do much good
here.

Chris understood. There's no room, really, for a "spring compressor".
I've done McPherson struts, and, this is NOTHING like that since
any flimsy metal that fits between the spring coils is NEVER gonna
compress that spring.

If you held that spring in between your fingers, for example, you'd
NEVER get it to compress visibly. It's also VERY BOUNCY so it sproings
all over the place, as you wrestle with leverage tools (e.g.,
long screwdrivers).

There's no room to get a C-clamp on the ends either, as both ends fit
into a recessed slot.

It's not a 0.5-second job, that's for sure.

 

[Danny D.]

Pico Rico wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:29:02 -0800:

> do you have a neighbor that is a MAN?

If it was as easy as you're intimating, then this video that Jeff
kindly found, would never have been needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7eKakMCz8

That guy did it, and said, verbatim "I'm sure there is some official
way to do this, but, I don't know what it is ..."

There are two steps that are not intuitive how to do:
1. Compress the spring to get it in place without poking out an eye,
and,
2. Setting the chain brake into the unlock position since it has to
be in the locked position in order to get the spring in place.

Luckily, I know how, and it should work for me, and I'll report back
when I try it (after responding to these posts).

 

[Danny D.]

trader_4 wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:57:18 -0800:

I've never had to do one of these. But the procedure for getting
any spring like that back on is first to get as much room as possible.
From the picture, the part that it pushes against is in it's most
forward position, not retracted. IDK what it takes to get that to
retract, but if it's retracted, then less compression of the spring
will be necessary.

Thanks. I watched the video Jeff suggested, and I think that method
will work as the guy has overcome exactly the two problems that I need
to overcome, which are:

1. Compress the spring enough to get it to STAY in the slot
(It bounces all over the place because the amount of force is
akin to what it takes to move a refrigerator with one hand
pressed up against the bottom with the tip of a screwdriver.)

2. Reset the chain brake without the leverage afforded by the chainsaw
handle (you have no leverage and you need to spin a very hard to
spin little spoked wheel). The force necessary to spin the spoked
while is sort of like spinning a lag bolt with just the tip of
a screwdriver wedged into one of the hex crests.)

But, I'm pretty sure I can do it now, as I know *exactly* how not
do to it by now!

 

[Danny D.]

Tom Miller wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:51:26 -0500:

Sorry, I did not explain it clear enough for you to understand. The bolt is
outside of the spring. A tab on the edge of the washer goes to the inside of
the spring.

I have compressed automotive springs, so, I know what you're talking about.
It's never gonna work in this particular case.

There's just no room and the spring is too strong for any metal that would
actually fit in between the coils and you can't touch the ends since they
fit into a recessed slot.

Here it is before it sprung:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7322/16388575300_6361db036e_c.jpg

Here is the after sprung:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7288/16389735629_1cf166b3b8_c.jpg

Plus, there is a fragile plastic insert that goes more than 1/3 of the
way through the one end.

Classic spring compressor?
Nope. Not gonna work at all.
But, it's a good idea for other applications.

 

[Danny D.]

TimR wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:08:42 -0800:

Big C-clamp, maybe?
You'd want to run a stiff rod in the center to keep it from jumping out.

I have a LOT of C clamps.
Normally, if you had the room, it might work, but, there is absolutely
no way *any* c-shaped spring compressor is gonna work in this application.

I think I have it though.

The trick is really simple, but it *has* to be done well:
1. You MUST hold down the spring somehow (otherwise it will sproing every time).
2. You MUST leverage on a teeny tiny spot at the END of the spring (only one end)!
3. You MUST then spin the dial, again with leverage on a single point, to
unlock the brake without the benefit of the huge brake lever on the saw.

Anyway, I think I have it now. I hope to report back success once I finish
responding to the posts (just in case a better idea pops up).

Thanks for the help and advice.

 

[Danny D.]

TimR wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:39:36 -0800:

Just thinking out loud.

Compress it all the way in a vise, run some thin steel wire down the inside
and around, twist tightly.

Shove the spring in place, cut the wire?

Or, do you have a bar clamp? might be able to get the spring halfway
in place, put the jaws of the bar clamp on it, turn the handle to compress.
Good chance of it popping out and nailing you in the face though,
might want to wear goggles.

That spring has popped out probably twenty or thirty times already, and,
when it flies, it flies.

I figured it out, with the help of Jeff's video which explained the two
details that I was lacking in my attempts.

I didn't use the method the guy used in the video; but I stole all his
ideas on what the critical danger spots were.

Instead of metal to hold the spring inside, I used packing tape.

I bolted the assembly into a vise and then leveraged with a 2-foot long
screwdriver on the end of the spring (all smaller sizes failed).

You'll notice I leveraged the OPPOSITE end that the guy did in the
video that Jeff kindly posted.

That leverage, along with the packing tape on the other end, got the spring
into the slot without the otherwise inevitable bouncing around the room
when the screwdriver inevitably slipped (the force is akin to tilting a
refrigerator with the tip of a screwdriver ... nothing you can't handle -
but when it slips, the spring goes flying).

Here's a re-enactment picture of how I got the spring in place!
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7306/16388881368_afb75a36fe_c.jpg

Notice the screwdriver at bottom left instead of at top right (where the
video applied leverage with needle-nose pliers).

Now, it's time to spin the brake lock wheel, and I'll be done.
Thanks for all your advice!

 

[Danny D.]

Ralph Mowery wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:06:48 -0500:

As the fellow said there is probably an offical tool to do it. Sometimes it
would be nice to see the offical tool and the way the factory puts things
together. They probably use an expensive tool that is too much for a one
time job, so it is nice to know how to do it at home with minimal tools.

Yes. I agree. If Husqvarna supplies a video on how "they" get that spring
back in place, that would be informative.

Just as you suggested though, just *watching* the video that Jeff supplied
taught me to pay extra special attention to three things which were inhibiting
success.

Armed with that example, I found a *different* way to accomplish getting
the spring in place.

Instead of leveraging with pliers on the outside end of the spring, I
leveraged with a two-foot long screwdriver on the *inside* edge of the
spring.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7306/16388881368_afb75a36fe_c.jpg

And, I used a few wraps of strong packing tape to hold the spring in
place on the outside half:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8596/16389080810_da0b97e8ab_c.jpg

Now all I have to do is spin the wheel of fortune to the left of
that photo, which I'll probably do with a screwdriver or pliers
as the guy did in Jeff's wonderful video.

Thanks!

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:52:28 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
<dannydiamico@gmail.com> wrote:

So I lent him my Husqvarna 18" chainsaw for chopping up the fallen trees:
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7455/16388696590_ca981a9d47_z.jpg

Model number please?

Looks familiar:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/chain-saws.jpg>
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Husqvarna-136-chain-saw.pdf.jpg>

Here's a video on how to do it:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7eKakMCz8>
He just uses a pair of big needle nose pliers and brute force.

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Danny D.]

Pico Rico wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:29:02 -0800:

> do you have a neighbor that is a MAN?

Oren.

Can you do me a favor and send Pico Rico pictures of the garage door
springs and McPherson struts we've removed, replaced and compressed.

He seems to think that those of us endowed with small springs don't
also have far larger ones lurking around in our garage that need to
be wound ...

 

[Danny D.]

TimR wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:17:53 -0800:

Also, instead of holding the saw and turning the brake with the needle
nose jaws, I think I've had clamped the needlenose in the vice with
the jaws slightly open and used both hands on the saw to twist the
brake back locked.

Well, I chipped off the edge of the cast aluminum, trying to wedge
lever the spring into the unlocked position.

I think I'll hold tight, as I left the rest of the saw at my
neighbor's house.

I'm gonna try to see if I can temporarily assemble the brake on
top of the saw, and use the saw's own lever, to unlock it.

That seems safest, but, I won't go back to that neighbor 'till
tomorrow. Luckily, no trees need felling today ...

 

[Danny D.]

Ralph Mowery wrote, on Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:49:33 -0500:

Then next time I was at the auto store I
found a special tool that had a hook on it

Heh heh., I have that tool with the little pigs' tail on the end.
Maybe.... just maybe ... it will fit.

 

[Tom Miller]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 2/18/2015 10:24 PM, Tom Miller wrote:

Anyone know the trick to get that super strong spring back on?

Search on "coil spring compressor" for some ideas. I would use a couple
of washers with some tabs and a long screw, washer and nut to compress
it.


Did you actually look at the pictures?

I'll admit, I only looked at one or two.
But, the bolt thing won't do much good
here.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.

Sorry, I did not explain it clear enough for you to understand. The bolt is
outside of the spring. A tab on the edge of the washer goes to the inside of
the spring.

There might be better solutions that one could explore.

 

[Ralph Mowery]

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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Here's a video on how to do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7eKakMCz8
He just uses a pair of big needle nose pliers and brute force.

As the fellow said there is probably an offical tool to do it. Sometimes it
would be nice to see the offical tool and the way the factory puts things
together. They probably use an expensive tool that is too much for a one
time job, so it is nice to know how to do it at home with minimal tools.