Another Reason Why The Health Of Biosphere Is Critical For Life...

[Fred Bloggs]

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt. Latest estimates for annual anthropogenic emissions are roughly 30 Gt. It\'s not going to take much of change either way to turn the planet from a uninhabitable steam room into an uninhabitable chunk of ice with all the interconnected, and largely unknown, mechanisms of thermal balance runaway instability waiting in the wings..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_carbon_fixation

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 12:52:42 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt. Latest estimates for annual anthropogenic emissions are roughly 30 Gt. It\'s not going to take much of change either way to turn the planet from a uninhabitable steam room into an uninhabitable chunk of ice with all the interconnected, and largely unknown, mechanisms of thermal balance runaway instability waiting in the wings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_carbon_fixation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

is the most recent natural experiment. We don\'t know where the extra CO2 came from, but we do know that it took about 200,000 years to get reabsorbed.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[a a]

On Monday, 29 August 2022 at 16:52:42 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
fake


-We all love Carbon, we all love CO2


--CO2 is welcome
-CO2 is Plant Food
-Plants are Animal Food
-Animals are Human Food

-More CO2 more Human Food
-to end the world hunger

--https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2



--Water (H2O) in the gaseous state is the only greenhouse gas due to its high heat of phase shift fluid > gas > fluid

--Water H2O, water vapor, clouds, water retention, account for 99.99% of so-called greenhouse effect

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-4, a a wrote:

On Monday, 29 August 2022 at 16:52:42 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
fake


-We all love Carbon, we all love CO2


--CO2 is welcome
-CO2 is Plant Food
-Plants are Animal Food
-Animals are Human Food

-More CO2 more Human Food
-to end the world hunger

--https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2



--Water (H2O) in the gaseous state is the only greenhouse gas due to its high heat of phase shift fluid > gas > fluid

--Water H2O, water vapor, clouds, water retention, account for 99.99% of so-called greenhouse effect

Reality isn\'t as simple as you are. You\'re consistently wrong.

 

[server]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.

How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

It\'e been said that we don\'t know the magnitude of many critical
climate couplings, and often don\'t know the sign.

Latest estimates for annual anthropogenic emissions are roughly 30 Gt. It\'s not going to take much of change either way to turn the planet from a uninhabitable steam room into an uninhabitable chunk of ice with all the interconnected, and largely unknown, mechanisms of thermal balance runaway instability waiting in the wings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_carbon_fixation

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:53:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

It\'e been said that we don\'t know the magnitude of many critical
climate couplings, and often don\'t know the sign.
Latest estimates for annual anthropogenic emissions are roughly 30 Gt. It\'s not going to take much of change either way to turn the planet from a uninhabitable steam room into an uninhabitable chunk of ice with all the interconnected, and largely unknown, mechanisms of thermal balance runaway instability waiting in the wings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_carbon_fixation
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming

Yep- I was kinda amazed we\'re having any effect at all. But we know we are. Nature is full of super delicate balances, this must be one of them.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

What \"important things\"? The difference between carbon release (volcanoes+ mining) and natural
fixation is the net result, important and well understood. Biological carbon is one part of the natural
fixation, but... the order of magnitude is the same on those two numbers, so
if you need something better, what you\'re saying is \'we need more research\'?

Lame.

 

[a a]

On Monday, 29 August 2022 at 17:31:02 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-4, a a wrote:
On Monday, 29 August 2022 at 16:52:42 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
fake


-We all love Carbon, we all love CO2


--CO2 is welcome
-CO2 is Plant Food
-Plants are Animal Food
-Animals are Human Food

-More CO2 more Human Food
-to end the world hunger

--https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2



--Water (H2O) in the gaseous state is the only greenhouse gas due to its high heat of phase shift fluid > gas > fluid

--Water H2O, water vapor, clouds, water retention, account for 99.99% of so-called greenhouse effect

thank you for your support

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

What \"important things\"?

Isn\'t biological carbon fixation important?

The difference between carbon release (volcanoes+ mining) and natural
fixation is the net result, important and well understood. Biological carbon is one part of the natural
fixation, but... the order of magnitude is the same on those two numbers, so
if you need something better, what you\'re saying is \'we need more research\'?

Lame.

Do you design electronics with important things known to an \"order of
magnitude.\"

Incompetant.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 1:42:32 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

What \"important things\"?
Isn\'t biological carbon fixation important?

No, it\'s one term (like weathering of rocks is one term) in the equation. The
sum of the terms shows that CO2 is building up, and we need to control... the sum.
We don\'t care which terms, just how much we can change the sum.

The difference between carbon release (volcanoes+ mining) and natural
fixation is the net result, important and well understood. Biological carbon is one part of the natural
fixation, but... the order of magnitude is the same on those two numbers, so
if you need something better, what you\'re saying is \'we need more research\'?

Lame.
Do you design electronics with important things known to an \"order of
magnitude.\"

Yes, I try to always get the order of magnitude right. Don\'t you?

> Incompetant.

Don\'t be silly; sometimes you need precision, sometimes you have
a logic margin or AGC. Identify the \'design electronics\' issue first, if you
want to discuss. Incompetance seems to be on your mind, but that\'s
not electronics.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 6:42:32 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

John Larkin gets his estimates from climate change denial propaganda web-sites. They aren\'t all that credible.

What \"important things\"?

Isn\'t biological carbon fixation important?

Clearly. It shows up as seasonal variation in the Manua Loa C)2 measurements

https://gml.noaa.gov/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2_trend_mlo.pdf

The Cape Grim - southern hemisphere - data shows a lot less seasonal variation.

https://capegrim.csiro.au/

The difference between carbon release (volcanoes+ mining) and natural
fixation is the net result, important and well understood. Biological carbon is one part of the natural
fixation, but... the order of magnitude is the same on those two numbers, so
if you need something better, what you\'re saying is \'we need more research\'?

Lame.

Do you design electronics with important things known to an \"order of
magnitude.\"

Incompetant.

\"Incompetent\". Nobody is designing anything here. We are observing what\'s going on, which is a different kind of problem, and working out what we need to change to get a different - better - outcome than the one more intelligent people than John Larkin can see coming,

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:53:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

It\'e been said that we don\'t know the magnitude of many critical
climate couplings, and often don\'t know the sign.
Latest estimates for annual anthropogenic emissions are roughly 30 Gt. It\'s not going to take much of change either way to turn the planet from a uninhabitable steam room into an uninhabitable chunk of ice with all the interconnected, and largely unknown, mechanisms of thermal balance runaway instability waiting in the wings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_carbon_fixation
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming

Yep- I was kinda amazed we\'re having any effect at all. But we know we are. Nature is full of super delicate balances, this must be one of them.

In a chaotic system, everything whacks everything. The magnitudes
don\'t matter much.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 2:37:07 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:53:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

It\'s called biological carbon fixation, estimated to be 258 Gt annually, I have read estimates putting it as high as 750Gt.
How can \"climate science\" be predictive and dictate policy when
important things are estimated with 3:1 uncertainly?

It\'e been said that we don\'t know the magnitude of many critical
climate couplings, and often don\'t know the sign.

Latest estimates for annual anthropogenic emissions are roughly 30 Gt.. It\'s not going to take much of change either way to turn the planet from a uninhabitable steam room into an uninhabitable chunk of ice with all the interconnected, and largely unknown, mechanisms of thermal balance runaway instability waiting in the wings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_carbon_fixation
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming

Yep- I was kinda amazed we\'re having any effect at all. But we know we are. Nature is full of super delicate balances, this must be one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

is the most recent natural experiment.

\"12000 Gt of carbon (at least 44000 Gt CO2e) were released over 50,000 years averaging 0.24 Gt per year. \"

That wasn\'t a tiny amount of carbon. We are dumping carbon into the atmosphere about a hundred times faster, so we could make the same kind of mess within 500 years (if we were silly enough to keep doing it) but we aren\'t talking about any kind of \"super delicate balance\" here.

> In a chaotic system, everything whacks everything. The magnitudes don\'t matter much.

They matter a lot - chaotic systems are determinist, not random - but their effects vary dramatically depending on the state of the whole system, so you have to know the state of the whole system impossibly precisely to make predictions.

John Larkin still hasn\'t got his head around this point.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney