Another Bush Story

Rolavine · May 4, 2004

More proof of the dishonesty of our fearless chickenhawk leader.
More Bushit from the king o crap.

White House 'Gag Order' Wrong, Report Concludes
Researchers Say Blocking Medicare Estimates Probably Illegal

WASHINGTON (May 3) - Bush administration officials were wrong to prevent a
budget expert from giving Congress estimates of the cost of Medicare
legislation, congressional researchers have concluded.

In a report made public Monday, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service
said efforts to keep Richard Foster, the chief Medicare actuary, from giving
Democratic lawmakers his projections of the bill's cost - $100 billion more
than the president and other officials were acknowledging - probably violated
federal law.

Recent estimates set the bill's cost at more than $500 billion.

Foster testified in March that he was prevented by then-Medicare administrator
Thomas Scully from turning over information over to lawmakers. Scully, in a
letter to the House Ways and Means Committee, said he had told Foster "that I,
as his supervisor, would decide when he would communicate with Congress.''

Congressional researchers chided the move. "Such 'gag orders' have been
expressly prohibited by federal law since 1912,'' Jack Maskell, a CRS attorney,
wrote in the report.

Frithiof Andreas Jensen · May 4, 2004

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More proof of the dishonesty of our fearless chickenhawk leader.
More Bushit from the king o crap.

Youre right about that last part - why don't you post in
alt.whine.whine.whinge instead?

Rolavine · May 4, 2004

Subject: Re: Another Bush Story
From: "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk
Date: 5/4/2004 12:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <4097ea24$1$153$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040504121516.18679.00000490@mb-m26.aol.com...
More proof of the dishonesty of our fearless chickenhawk leader.
More Bushit from the king o crap.

Youre right about that last part - why don't you post in
alt.whine.whine.whinge instead?

I suppose I could post there too, but I don't cross post, lol. You must love

having criminals in charge.

Rocky

Frithiof Andreas Jensen · May 11, 2004

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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Subject: Re: Another Bush Story

You must love
having criminals in charge.

I prefer crooks to "Good People" any day!!!

The Crook is a materialistic creature whos appetites may eventually be
slaked - the righteous good person o.t.o.h. wants to create heaven on earth,
he is doing God's work and *absolutely will not stop* until he achieves
whatever he set out to do - i.e. Never!

This is the reason that: More people have been killed by "Good People" than
by crooks!

Jim Thompson · May 11, 2004

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:51:24 +0200, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040504171520.08318.00000498@mb-m11.aol.com...
Subject: Re: Another Bush Story

You must love
having criminals in charge.

I prefer crooks to "Good People" any day!!!

The Crook is a materialistic creature whos appetites may eventually be
slaked - the righteous good person o.t.o.h. wants to create heaven on earth,
he is doing God's work and *absolutely will not stop* until he achieves
whatever he set out to do - i.e. Never!

This is the reason that: More people have been killed by "Good People" than
by crooks!

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Rolavine · May 11, 2004

Subject: Re: Another Bush Story
From: Jim Thompson thegreatone@example.com
Date: 5/11/2004 9:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <rn42a0h423dmumuscbs30hd2p8pf5m5e1n@4ax.com

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:51:24 +0200, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040504171520.08318.00000498@mb-m11.aol.com...
Subject: Re: Another Bush Story

You must love
having criminals in charge.

I prefer crooks to "Good People" any day!!!

The Crook is a materialistic creature whos appetites may eventually be
slaked - the righteous good person o.t.o.h. wants to create heaven on earth,
he is doing God's work and *absolutely will not stop* until he achieves
whatever he set out to do - i.e. Never!

This is the reason that: More people have been killed by "Good People" than
by crooks!

AGREED!

...Jim Thompson
--

Convincing argument but what side is which, lol! I don't see why we can't have
non crooks that respect personal liberty too, it doesn't seem that far fetched.
And this war in Iraq, is that crook or doing good? Cause if it's 'doing good',
as all the supporters say, then its doing social engineering in another country
with my money, which is doing bad! And what of gathering all this personal
information by the Ashcroft division of Bush Inc? The potential for 'do
gooding' there is horrifying. And what of the lack of a vision for doing good
in relation to this countries energy future, is being crooks going to make more
oil?

My favorite example of doing good was when Mao signed all the farms of China
into collectives and the next year 40 million people starved to death, "oops my
bad".

The great thing about absolutes is that they are all self contradictory, I take
this as the universes secret message.

Rocky

Scott Stephens · May 11, 2004

Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040504171520.08318.00000498@mb-m11.aol.com...

Subject: Re: Another Bush Story

You must love
having criminals in charge.

I prefer crooks to "Good People" any day!!!

The Crook is a materialistic creature whos appetites may eventually be
slaked

I don't think so. Enough is never enough. Appetite, whether for pride,
greed or lust, isn't something that can be slaked. It takes a heart-felt
understanding the nature of appetites (something probably beyond flesh &
blood) to inhibit those motivations.

- the righteous good person o.t.o.h. wants to create heaven on earth,

he is doing God's work and *absolutely will not stop* until he achieves
whatever he set out to do - i.e. Never!

This is the reason that: More people have been killed by "Good People" than
by crooks!

Some religious people are content and tolerant, some are not. Some
atheists are content and tolerant, some are not.

--
Scott

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Rich Grise · May 12, 2004

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> wrote in message
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The great thing about absolutes is that they are all self contradictory, I
take
this as the universes secret message.

Damn! You've given it away!

;-)

Frithiof Andreas Jensen · May 16, 2004

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040511144146.25678.00001297@mb-m07.aol.com...

Convincing argument but what side is which, lol! I don't see why we can't
have
non crooks that respect personal liberty too, it doesn't seem that far
fetched.

The problem, as I see it, is that the honest person that starts out seeking
power to improve "the world" sort of goes through a cleansing process that
leaves him as the typical run-of-the-mill weather-baloon - i.e. drifting
along with every opinion poll presented by lobbyists - politician that we
all know and love to slander and hate (which is probably what "the system"
wants: an insurance of no change happening

It takes a truly outstanding person and probably some dire historical
circumstances also for a person to survive the political selection procedure
untainted.

And this war in Iraq, is that crook or doing good?

Depends on the *eventual* outcome does it not?

Cause if it's 'doing good',
as all the supporters say, then its doing social engineering in another
country
with my money, which is doing bad!

To counter that one could argue that if one has the power, the knowledge and
the wisdom to act then it is evil not to - like when one *knows* for certain
that the entire Arab World in its present track is heading directly towards
an economic collapse, which in turn will bring millitant fundamentalism to
the front as "the solution" - exactly as Germany chose Hitler & Nazism when
their society hit a dead end - and exactly the same way will this spawn a
Third World War which will destroy the Arabs, maul the Western nations and
certainly top the loss of life and the atrocities commited in the second
world war.

A failing society will choose a Destroyer - it was either pure luck or those
afforementioned "historical circumstances" that the Russians choose
Gorbatjov who destroyed communism instead (by chance - he did not intend
to).

Anyway -

The dire facts are documented in the UNHDR reports
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/view_reports.cfm?type=2 where a country like
Spain in terms of BNP has outgrown the entire Arab Legue in just twenty
years, whereas the Arab Legue countries presents an annual population growth
of 3.5% per anno, more or less ZERO growth in BNP and a drop in disposable
income per capita from a reasonable USD 20000 per capita per year in 1970 -
when the USD was worth something - to a pathetic USD 8000 today.

Probably the method is wrong - one cannot kick sense into somebody's head
although it can be kicked Out!

But certainly, ingoring things will just lead to bigger disaster down the
road.

gooding' there is horrifying. And what of the lack of a vision for doing
good
in relation to this countries energy future, is being crooks going to make
more
oil?

-Or-
by sucking up a great deal of the available Oil, China is kept starved for
cheap energy, which in turn protects the economic leadership of the US,
which the US uses to protect it's citizens?

-Or-
Maybe it is just stupidity to funnel all that money into the grubby hands of
people who plainly wish to destroy the US?

Stupidity is the reason most things happen - or not.

My favorite example of doing good was when Mao signed all the farms of
China
into collectives and the next year 40 million people starved to death,
"oops my
bad".

Exactly - once one becomes godlike the unavoidable mistakes becomes
amplified to biblical proportions also.

The great thing about absolutes is that they are all self contradictory, I
take
this as the universes secret message.

But still nations *never* learn without killing about 20-40% of a population
in some war - and even then the lesson only lasts about a generation or so.

Bill Sloman · May 16, 2004

"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:<40a73f0c$0$143$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>...

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040511144146.25678.00001297@mb-m07.aol.com...

The dire facts are documented in the UNHDR reports
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/view_reports.cfm?type=2 where a country like
Spain in terms of BNP has outgrown the entire Arab Legue in just twenty
years, whereas the Arab Legue countries presents an annual population growth
of 3.5% per anno, more or less ZERO growth in BNP and a drop in disposable
income per capita from a reasonable USD 20000 per capita per year in 1970 -
when the USD was worth something - to a pathetic USD 8000 today.

Probably the method is wrong - one cannot kick sense into somebody's head
although it can be kicked Out!

But certainly, ignoring things will just lead to bigger disaster down the
road.

Spain is probably a special case. It was a more or less normal
industrialised western democracy until Franco's military dictatorship
took over after the Spanish Civil War, after which it languished until
he eventually died, and the junta that had been running the country
(badly) to serve their personal interests, in conformity with their
demented prejudices got slung out.

The new government did have the advantage of a more or less literate
population, and a complete, if seriously antiquated, infrastructure,
and could play catch-up even faster than the Japanese, Koreans and
Chinese who had to build up their education systems and their
infra-structures from scratch.

Having said all this, the Arabs certainly aren't doing anything like
as well as India, which in turn is doing only half as well as the
Chinese, Koreans and Japanese did when they were playing catch-up.
Right-wing capitalism does't seem to be the optimal ideology for a
country involved in economic catch-up.

It worked okay for the U.S. back when it caught up with the U.K., but
the U.S. variant included a strong element of protectionism which
right wing governments no longer seem to be able to maintain (probably
because of U.S. pressure).

<snipped the rest>

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Reg Edwards · May 16, 2004

But still nations *never* learn without killing about 20-40% of a
population
in some war - and even then the lesson only lasts about a generation or
so.
====================================

Life on Earth ultimately depends on limited energy sources.
Uranium, coal, water power, the forests, oil, and above all, FOOD.

The Earth is over-populated with human beings.
Nature finds its own remedial ways in a balancing process.
Genocide, starvation, wars, obesity, locusts, tuberculosis, gun laws,
heroin, Aids . . . . . . .

The US (a part of Nature) is determinably stuck on the use of WMD and
allowing Earth Warming to take its course.

Only the Chinese are tackling the problem with any logic.

Rolavine · May 16, 2004

I'm top posting because this is a long recount. Just wanted to say, Frithiof,
you gave me some interesting stuff to think about, stuff I haven't thought of
before, thanks.

Rocky

Subject: Re: Another Bush Story
From: "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
frithiof.jensen@diespammerdie.jensen.tdcadsl.dk
Date: 5/16/2004 3:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <40a73f0c$0$143$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk

"Rolavine" <rolavine@aol.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20040511144146.25678.00001297@mb-m07.aol.com...

Convincing argument but what side is which, lol! I don't see why we can't
have
non crooks that respect personal liberty too, it doesn't seem that far
fetched.

The problem, as I see it, is that the honest person that starts out seeking
power to improve "the world" sort of goes through a cleansing process that
leaves him as the typical run-of-the-mill weather-baloon - i.e. drifting
along with every opinion poll presented by lobbyists - politician that we
all know and love to slander and hate (which is probably what "the system"
wants: an insurance of no change happening

It takes a truly outstanding person and probably some dire historical
circumstances also for a person to survive the political selection procedure
untainted.

And this war in Iraq, is that crook or doing good?

Depends on the *eventual* outcome does it not?

Cause if it's 'doing good',
as all the supporters say, then its doing social engineering in another
country
with my money, which is doing bad!

To counter that one could argue that if one has the power, the knowledge and
the wisdom to act then it is evil not to - like when one *knows* for certain
that the entire Arab World in its present track is heading directly towards
an economic collapse, which in turn will bring millitant fundamentalism to
the front as "the solution" - exactly as Germany chose Hitler & Nazism when
their society hit a dead end - and exactly the same way will this spawn a
Third World War which will destroy the Arabs, maul the Western nations and
certainly top the loss of life and the atrocities commited in the second
world war.

A failing society will choose a Destroyer - it was either pure luck or those
afforementioned "historical circumstances" that the Russians choose
Gorbatjov who destroyed communism instead (by chance - he did not intend
to).

Anyway -

The dire facts are documented in the UNHDR reports
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/view_reports.cfm?type=2 where a country like
Spain in terms of BNP has outgrown the entire Arab Legue in just twenty
years, whereas the Arab Legue countries presents an annual population growth
of 3.5% per anno, more or less ZERO growth in BNP and a drop in disposable
income per capita from a reasonable USD 20000 per capita per year in 1970 -
when the USD was worth something - to a pathetic USD 8000 today.

Probably the method is wrong - one cannot kick sense into somebody's head
although it can be kicked Out!

But certainly, ingoring things will just lead to bigger disaster down the
road.

gooding' there is horrifying. And what of the lack of a vision for doing
good
in relation to this countries energy future, is being crooks going to make
more
oil?

-Or-
by sucking up a great deal of the available Oil, China is kept starved for
cheap energy, which in turn protects the economic leadership of the US,
which the US uses to protect it's citizens?

-Or-
Maybe it is just stupidity to funnel all that money into the grubby hands of
people who plainly wish to destroy the US?

Stupidity is the reason most things happen - or not.

My favorite example of doing good was when Mao signed all the farms of
China
into collectives and the next year 40 million people starved to death,
"oops my
bad".

Exactly - once one becomes godlike the unavoidable mistakes becomes
amplified to biblical proportions also.

The great thing about absolutes is that they are all self contradictory, I
take
this as the universes secret message.

But still nations *never* learn without killing about 20-40% of a population
in some war - and even then the lesson only lasts about a generation or so.

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