An addition to Trevor Tosspot's Porky List

[John-Melb]

Trevor Tosspot's Porky List

*I have a friend who can STOP his heart

*Their is ample evidence to support the fact that possession of an
inanimate object is capable of altering a cognitive persons intent

*The FBI-UCR for the years 1976-86 are available on the FBI web-site

*My local library has Lott's work in the fiction section

*20% of Australian homes possess firearms

*I only deal in facts

*The firearms related murder rate in the US is 10,000,000 PA.

*gun licences back in the 1920s led to a drop in the murder rate,

*How the British 1903 Pistol Act was enacted and enforced in
Australia prior to Federation.

*How an audit of Government owned arms at Sydney Cove in 1796 was a
gun control law
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­­­-----------

Now we have

On Jun 18, 12:54 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

**Yes. Easily. Across the US, each year, there are hundreds of 'gun
shows'. At these 'gun shows' dealers, posing as private citizens sell
thousands of guns to criminals. They can do so, because there are
virtually zero restrictions on the sale of 'second hand' guns. Even if
that gun has only been 'second hand' for a couple of minutes and has
never been fired.
----------------------------------------------------------

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:79b11fe0-7407-4098-a62d-e9a3a4ce9be0@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 8:32 am, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Criminals will get their hands on anything and everything illegal you
want to name.

**Not necessarily. Guns, in Australia, are far more expensive than they are
in the US. As a consequence, only relatively wealthy criminals have them.
The average junkie cannot afford a (hand) gun.

Look at the drug laws, yet there is no shortage of drugs on the
street,
despite the penalties and attempts to stop it.

**Prove it. Present your hard proof that drug laws have not reduced the
availability of drugs. You claim is bogus and you should know it. Despite
DUI laws, we still have drunk drivers. Despite laws against homicide, we
still have homicides. Despite laws against bank robbing, some people still
rob banks. Are you trying to suggest that, because all these (and many
other) laws are not 100% effective, that they are useless? Is that your
claim?

Same with the alcohol
prohibition,
what a failure that was, in USA and Russia. Black markets spring up
like weeds in
any prohibition you want to poke a stick at.

**Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. If the prohibition laws were
sufficiently enforced and, more specifically, corruption in law enforcement
was rooted out, then those laws would have acheived much what they set out
to do. If you don't believe that prohibition can work, then I suggest you
travel to Saudi Arabia and chug a six pack on a public street.

Anything you want that is illegal is available for a price / effort.
You would have to have to be extremely naive, insane, or have an
agenda to say otherwise.

**That was my point. In the US, a used, cheap handgun sells for as little as
US$50.00, through legal channels. Here in Australia, they are MUCH more
expensive. This restricts the number of handguns in the hands of low level
criminals. It does not eliminate ALL guns from the hands of ALL criminals.

----------------------------------------------------------

You could also look at the TW literary classic "I made a cheese
sandwich" on aus hi fi.

While it doesn't look like his work, at first glance, the posting
history of this account
going back some years shows many posts from the same poster that do
look exactly like his current ones.

**I find it hugely amusing to see just how stupid people can be. Those who
have been suckered by the imposter are truly and irrevocably stupid. Were
you sucked in by the imposter? I know John McNamara (aka: John-Melb) was. He
has an excuse. He a moron.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Gray Ghost]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
news:7a87h3F1u7mvnU1@mid.individual.net:

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:79b11fe0-7407-4098-a62d-e9a3a4ce9be0@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 8:32 am, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Criminals will get their hands on anything and everything illegal you
want to name.

**Not necessarily. Guns, in Australia, are far more expensive than they
are in the US. As a consequence, only relatively wealthy criminals have
them. The average junkie cannot afford a (hand) gun.

To bad the facts aren't with you.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2879-Austin-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m4d8-
Australia-experiencing-more-violent-crime-despite-gun-ban

Look at the drug laws, yet there is no shortage of drugs on the
street,
despite the penalties and attempts to stop it.

**Prove it. Present your hard proof that drug laws have not reduced the
availability of drugs. You claim is bogus and you should know it. Despite
DUI laws, we still have drunk drivers. Despite laws against homicide, we
still have homicides. Despite laws against bank robbing, some people
still rob banks. Are you trying to suggest that, because all these (and
many other) laws are not 100% effective, that they are useless? Is that
your claim?

Same with the alcohol
prohibition,
what a failure that was, in USA and Russia. Black markets spring up
like weeds in
any prohibition you want to poke a stick at.

**Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. If the prohibition laws were
sufficiently enforced and, more specifically, corruption in law
enforcement was rooted out, then those laws would have acheived much what
they set out to do. If you don't believe that prohibition can work, then
I suggest you travel to Saudi Arabia and chug a six pack on a public
street.

Anything you want that is illegal is available for a price / effort.
You would have to have to be extremely naive, insane, or have an
agenda to say otherwise.

**That was my point. In the US, a used, cheap handgun sells for as little
as US$50.00, through legal channels. Here in Australia, they are MUCH
more expensive. This restricts the number of handguns in the hands of low
level criminals. It does not eliminate ALL guns from the hands of ALL
criminals.

So you're a racist who doesn't think people who are poor should be able to
buy a gun for protection. Only the rich folks should.

----------------------------------------------------------


You could also look at the TW literary classic "I made a cheese
sandwich" on aus hi fi.

While it doesn't look like his work, at first glance, the posting
history of this account
going back some years shows many posts from the same poster that do
look exactly like his current ones.

**I find it hugely amusing to see just how stupid people can be. Those
who have been suckered by the imposter are truly and irrevocably stupid.
Were you sucked in by the imposter? I know John McNamara (aka: John-Melb)
was. He has an excuse. He a moron.

--
Always remember:

Bull Connor was a Democrat!

 

[KR]

On Jun 22, 8:32 am, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Trevor Tosspot's Porky List

 *I have a friend who can STOP his heart

*Their is ample evidence to support the fact that possession of an
inanimate object is capable of altering a cognitive persons intent

*The FBI-UCR for the years 1976-86 are available on the FBI web-site

*My local library has Lott's work in the fiction section

*20% of Australian homes possess firearms

*I only deal in facts

*The firearms related murder rate in the US is 10,000,000 PA.

*gun licences back in the 1920s led to a drop in the murder rate,

 *How the British 1903 Pistol Act was enacted and enforced in
 Australia prior to Federation.

*How an audit of Government owned arms at Sydney Cove in 1796 was a
gun control law
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­­­-----------

Now we have

On Jun 18, 12:54 pm, "Trevor Wilson"

tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

 **Yes. Easily. Across the US, each year, there are hundreds of 'gun
shows'. At these 'gun shows' dealers, posing as private citizens sell
thousands of guns to criminals. They can do so, because there are
virtually zero restrictions on the sale of 'second hand' guns. Even if
that gun has only been 'second hand' for a couple of minutes and has
never been fired.

Criminals will get their hands on anything and everything illegal you
want to name.
Look at the drug laws, yet there is no shortage of drugs on the
street,
despite the penalties and attempts to stop it. Same with the alcohol
prohibition,
what a failure that was, in USA and Russia. Black markets spring up
like weeds in
any prohibition you want to poke a stick at.

Anything you want that is illegal is available for a price / effort.
You would have to have to be extremely naive, insane, or have an
agenda to say otherwise.

----------------------------------------------------------

You could also look at the TW literary classic "I made a cheese
sandwich" on aus hi fi.

While it doesn't look like his work, at first glance, the posting
history of this account
going back some years shows many posts from the same poster that do
look exactly like his current ones.

 

[Blinky Bill]

"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C31ED9587B59Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
news:7a87h3F1u7mvnU1@mid.individual.net:


"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:79b11fe0-7407-4098-a62d-e9a3a4ce9be0@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 8:32 am, John-Melb <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Criminals will get their hands on anything and everything illegal you
want to name.

**Not necessarily. Guns, in Australia, are far more expensive than they
are in the US. As a consequence, only relatively wealthy criminals have
them. The average junkie cannot afford a (hand) gun.

To bad the facts aren't with you.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2879-Austin-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m4d8-
Australia-experiencing-more-violent-crime-despite-gun-ban

What part of those lies and misrepresentations do you think refutes the
claim that "The average junkie cannot afford a (hand) gun."?

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"John - Melb" <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Pathetic, truely pathetic.

**LOL! You're the pathetic one. Do some research. Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole#The_.22Gun_show_loophole.22

From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted surveillance and undercover investigations
at 195 gun shows (approximately 2% of all shows). Specific targeting of
suspected individuals (77%) resulted in 121 individual arrests and 5,345
firearms seizures. Seventy nine of the 121 ATF operation plans were known
suspects previously under investigation. [2]

Additionally, ATF Field Offices report that:

a.. Between 2002 and 2005, more than 400 guns legally purchased at gun
shows from licensed dealers in the city of Richmond, Virginia, were later
recovered in connection with criminal activity. Bouchard notes that, "These
figures do not take into account firearms that may have been sold at
Richmond area gun shows by unlicensed sellers, as these transactions are
more difficult to track."[1] It is noteworthy that the "in connection with
criminal activity" category includes stolen guns later recovered from
burglaries, but the report does not specify how many guns in the 400 gun
figure cited were not guns used in the commission of a crime, but that were
rather the fruits of criminal activity.
b.. The Department of Justice reports, "after reviewing hundreds of trace
reports associated with guns used in crime recovered in the [New Orleans]
area and interviewing known gang members and other criminals, ATF Special
Agents identified area gun shows as a source used by local gang members and
other criminals to obtain guns."[2]
c.. In 2003 and 2004, the San Francisco ATF Field Division conducted six
general operations at Reno, Nevada, guns shows to investigate interstate
firearms trafficking. During these operations, "agents purchased firearms
and identified violations related to "off paper" sales, sales to
out-of-state residents, and dealing in firearms without a license." The "ATF
seized or purchased 400 firearms before making arrests and executing search
warrants, which resulted in the seizure of an additional 600 firearms and
the recovery of explosives."[2]
d.. ATF's Columbus Field Division conducted its anti-trafficking
operations based on intelligence from Cleveland police that "many of the
guns recovered in high-crime areas of the city had been purchased at local
gun shows." Subsequent gun show sting operations resulted in the seizure of
"5 guns, one indictment, and two pending indictments for felony possession
of a firearm." The state of Ohio is one of the top ten source states for
recovered guns used in crime.[2]
e.. The ATF's Phoenix Field Division reported that "many gun shows
attracted large numbers of gang members from Mexico and California. They
often bought large quantities of assault weapons and smuggled them into
Mexico or transported them to California."[2] Garen Wintemute, a professor
at the University of California at Davis, calls Arizona and Texas a
"gunrunner's paradise."
Also see:

http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/opinion/editorials/article/the_gun_show_loophole_its_about_safety/15311/

And:

http://www.vpc.org/studies/tupfour.htm

And:

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/shady-dealings.pdf

And:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/gun_show.shtml

"
a.. "The law does not, however, require so-called occasional sellers to do
these checks - and there-s no clear definition of what qualifies as an
occasional seller.2
a.. Many sellers at gun shows abuse that loophole by calling themselves
occasional sellers. Because they concentrate at gun shows, it is easy for
felons and other prohibited possessors to find someone who will sell to them
without a background check."



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[John - Melb]

I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Pathetic, truely pathetic.

 

[keithr]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**That was my point. In the US, a used, cheap handgun sells for as little as
US$50.00, through legal channels. Here in Australia, they are MUCH more
expensive. This restricts the number of handguns in the hands of low level
criminals. It does not eliminate ALL guns from the hands of ALL criminals.

Even in the US, a $50 gun is likely to be more dangerous to the firer
than the firee.

 

[John - Melb]

On Jun 22, 2:21 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

"John - Melb" <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Pathetic, truely pathetic.

**LOL! You're the pathetic one. Do some research. Start here:
SNIP

So, you make an assertion and I'm expected to do the research
to support that assertion?

Sorry, your strawman, you burn it.

Research I've seen indicates less than 1% of guns recovered following
a
crime can be sourced to gun shows.

None of which supports your claim that licenced dealers are selling
at
gunshows without conducting background checks.

 

[fritz]

John - Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder

 

[Gray Ghost]

"fritz" <fritz@address.com> wrote in
news:h1ora1$djm$00$1@news.t-online.com:

John - Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder

Gun hater - a person who has a fear of inanimate objects and retarded sexual
and emotional maturity and a indicator of Hoplophobia.

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity". Hoplophobia, like
homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence. This would be
harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.

--
Always remember:

Bull Connor was a Democrat!

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"John - Melb" <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8a18737b-9b64-441c-a7f9-787c76bcd461@u9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 2:21 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

"John - Melb" <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Pathetic, truely pathetic.

**LOL! You're the pathetic one. Do some research. Start here:
SNIP

So, you make an assertion and I'm expected to do the research
to support that assertion?

**What I expect form any decent human (which clearly leaves you out) is a
polite request to provide soem evidence back a claim. Even though you
rarely, if ever, supply similar evidence to back your nonsense.

Sorry, your strawman, you burn it.

Research I've seen indicates less than 1% of guns recovered following
a
crime can be sourced to gun shows.


Here is the evidence which you need to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole#The_.22Gun_show_loophole.22

From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted surveillance and undercover investigations
at 195 gun shows (approximately 2% of all shows). Specific targeting of
suspected individuals (77%) resulted in 121 individual arrests and 5,345
firearms seizures. Seventy nine of the 121 ATF operation plans were known
suspects previously under investigation. [2]

Additionally, ATF Field Offices report that:

a.. Between 2002 and 2005, more than 400 guns legally purchased at gun
shows from licensed dealers in the city of Richmond, Virginia, were later
recovered in connection with criminal activity. Bouchard notes that, "These
figures do not take into account firearms that may have been sold at
Richmond area gun shows by unlicensed sellers, as these transactions are
more difficult to track."[1] It is noteworthy that the "in connection with
criminal activity" category includes stolen guns later recovered from
burglaries, but the report does not specify how many guns in the 400 gun
figure cited were not guns used in the commission of a crime, but that were
rather the fruits of criminal activity.
b.. The Department of Justice reports, "after reviewing hundreds of trace
reports associated with guns used in crime recovered in the [New Orleans]
area and interviewing known gang members and other criminals, ATF Special
Agents identified area gun shows as a source used by local gang members and
other criminals to obtain guns."[2]
c.. In 2003 and 2004, the San Francisco ATF Field Division conducted six
general operations at Reno, Nevada, guns shows to investigate interstate
firearms trafficking. During these operations, "agents purchased firearms
and identified violations related to "off paper" sales, sales to
out-of-state residents, and dealing in firearms without a license." The "ATF
seized or purchased 400 firearms before making arrests and executing search
warrants, which resulted in the seizure of an additional 600 firearms and
the recovery of explosives."[2]
d.. ATF's Columbus Field Division conducted its anti-trafficking
operations based on intelligence from Cleveland police that "many of the
guns recovered in high-crime areas of the city had been purchased at local
gun shows." Subsequent gun show sting operations resulted in the seizure of
"5 guns, one indictment, and two pending indictments for felony possession
of a firearm." The state of Ohio is one of the top ten source states for
recovered guns used in crime.[2]
e.. The ATF's Phoenix Field Division reported that "many gun shows
attracted large numbers of gang members from Mexico and California. They
often bought large quantities of assault weapons and smuggled them into
Mexico or transported them to California."[2] Garen Wintemute, a professor
at the University of California at Davis, calls Arizona and Texas a
"gunrunner's paradise."
Also see:

http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/opinion/editorials/article/the_gun_show_loophole_its_about_safety/15311/

And:

http://www.vpc.org/studies/tupfour.htm

And:

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/shady-dealings.pdf

And:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/gun_show.shtml

"
a.. "The law does not, however, require so-called occasional sellers to do
these checks - and there-s no clear definition of what qualifies as an
occasional seller.2
a.. Many sellers at gun shows abuse that loophole by calling themselves
occasional sellers. Because they concentrate at gun shows, it is easy for
felons and other prohibited possessors to find someone who will sell to them
without a background check."


None of which supports your claim that licenced dealers are selling
at
gunshows without conducting background checks.

**Here's how it works:

Gun dealer sells gun to legal gun buyer (someone who will pass the federal
checks). Legal gun buyer then on-sells that gun to whomever he wants to,
since that person, not being a gun dealer, does not have to run a federal
check. It is a well known scam, that the NRA and gun dealers do not want
shut down, because it will affect their bottom line. The laws surrounding
secondary sales of guns in the US are generally extremely weak and
unenforced. Remember how the Columbine shooters acquired some of their
weapons?

Of course you don't.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

"keithr" <keith@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:4a3f668f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**That was my point. In the US, a used, cheap handgun sells for as little
as US$50.00, through legal channels. Here in Australia, they are MUCH
more expensive. This restricts the number of handguns in the hands of low
level criminals. It does not eliminate ALL guns from the hands of ALL
criminals.

Even in the US, a $50 gun is likely to be more dangerous to the firer than
the firee.

**Perhaps. Nonetheless, cheap handguns are responsible for a very large
number of homicides in the US each year. I would certainly not stand at the
wrong end of such a gun. Would you?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Blinky Bill]

"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C32B2A694790Wereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142...

"fritz" <fritz@address.com> wrote in
news:h1ora1$djm$00$1@news.t-online.com:


John - Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder




Gun hater - a person who has a fear of inanimate objects and retarded
sexual
and emotional maturity and a indicator of Hoplophobia.

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity".

Except that Freud never said any such thing. That is not a quote of Freud,
it is a paraphrase of a statement made by Don B Kates.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud
Refer to "misattributed".

What is true is that another prominent psychoanalyst (Emmanuel Tanay) wrote
of ""Neurotic Attachment to Guns" which describes you gun loons perfectly.

Hoplophobia, like
homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence. This would be
harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others.

Which seems much more acceptable than the behaviour of gunloons who use
their weapons to act out their urges to commit violence.

 

[John - Melb]

On Jun 23, 6:56 am, "fritz" <fr...@address.com> wrote:

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder

Sorry to disappoint you and jar your prejudices so badly, but I'm not
into loving inanimate objects.

 

[John - Melb]

On Jun 23, 8:12 am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
wrote:

"John - Melb" <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8a18737b-9b64-441c-a7f9-787c76bcd461@u9g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 22, 2:21 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au
wrote:



"John - Melb" <mcnamara_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Pathetic, truely pathetic.

**LOL! You're the pathetic one. Do some research. Start here:

SNIP

So, you make an assertion and I'm expected to do the research
to support that assertion?

**What I expect form any decent human (which clearly leaves you out) is a
polite request to provide soem evidence back a claim. Even though you
rarely, if ever, supply similar evidence to back your nonsense.

Don't expect it Trevor, demonstrate it, I play by your rules remember.

Sorry, your strawman, you burn it.

Research I've seen indicates less than 1% of guns recovered following
a
crime can be sourced to gun shows.

Here is the evidence which you need to read:

Oh great, Trevor Tosspot is ow telling me what I "need" to do, who
the fuck died and made you king?

You "need" to stop spreading lies and misinformation.

You "need" to stop vilifying people who have done you (or anybody
else) no wrong.

You "need" to get a life.

**Here's how it works:

Gun dealer sells gun to legal gun buyer (someone who will pass the federal
checks). Legal gun buyer then on-sells that gun to whomever he wants to,
since that person, not being a gun dealer, does not have to run a federal
check. It is a well known scam, that the NRA and gun dealers do not want
shut down, because it will affect their bottom line. The laws surrounding
secondary sales of guns in the US are generally extremely weak and
unenforced. Remember how the Columbine shooters acquired some of their
weapons?

Of course you don't.

I'm aware how a so called straw-purchase works fool.

So, the dealer sells to a legal buyer, and your claim that dealers are
posing as private sellers at gun shows to avoid conducting background
checks was bullshit. Why am I not surprised.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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John - Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder




Gun hater - a person who has a fear of inanimate objects and retarded
sexual
and emotional maturity and a indicator of Hoplophobia.

**I know of no person who "hates" inanimate objects. Perhaps you'd care to
cite some verifiable examples. I won'
t hold my breath.

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity".

**Repeating a lie, does not make it truth. Whilst I'm certain there are some
people who do fear weapons, I can't say I've ever met anyone who does. OTOH,
I know a goodly number of people who do fear a nutter who is holding a gun
at them. Perhaps you could cite some people who fear weapons. I won't hold
my breath.

Hoplophobia, like

homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence.

**Bollocks. This is projection, based on a flawed descriptor.

This would be

harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.

**What is wrong with good, strong, sane gun control laws? Do you feel that
criminals, drunks, drug addicts and nutters should have unfettered access to
firearms? Why do you feel that altering the US Constitution (which has been
done many times in the past) to reflect common sense, logic and the progress
of technology represents a "trashing of the Constitution"?

I look forward to seeing the answers to these questions.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Gray Ghost]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
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"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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John - Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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.
I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder




Gun hater - a person who has a fear of inanimate objects and retarded
sexual and emotional maturity and a indicator of Hoplophobia.

**I know of no person who "hates" inanimate objects. Perhaps you'd care
to cite some verifiable examples. I won'
t hold my breath.

Clearly you fear them and fear leds to hate.

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity".

**Repeating a lie, does not make it truth. Whilst I'm certain there are
some people who do fear weapons, I can't say I've ever met anyone who
does. OTOH, I know a goodly number of people who do fear a nutter who is
holding a gun at them. Perhaps you could cite some people who fear
weapons. I won't hold my breath.

Nope that's your forte. How;s your buddy that can stop his hjeart to take a
shot?

Hoplophobia, like
homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence.

**Bollocks. This is projection, based on a flawed descriptor.

Constatnly projecting what others they don't know would do and the raging
threats by antis on this group would seem to prove you wrong. Again.

This would be
harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.

**What is wrong with good, strong, sane gun control laws? Do you feel
that criminals, drunks, drug addicts and nutters should have unfettered
access to firearms? Why do you feel that altering the US Constitution
(which has been done many times in the past) to reflect common sense,
logic and the progress of technology represents a "trashing of the
Constitution"?

Trevor I'm not going down this raod with you. Your "facts" and assumptions
are grossly flawed, your desire for government to dictate your life is well
known and your inability to be truthful or back up your assertion is well
documented. I would sooner argue with Weasel

You're an idiot. Get used to it.

I look forward to seeing the answers to these questions.

--
Always remember:

Bull Connor was a Democrat!

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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John - Melb <mcnamara_john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaf35a3b-8ec1-45d4-a716-35ac3a1b2fe6@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com..
.
I note Trevor failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion
that dealers are posing as private citizens to sell guns to criminals
at gun shows, without the necessary background checks, despite being
provided with evidence that this activity is illegal.

Clearly, Trevor has some evidence that this is going on.

I guess this shows exactly the sort of person Trevor is, he has
evidence of a crime being committed, but fails to report that criminal
activity to the relevant authorities, despite the threat this criminal
activity poses to public safety, because the continuance of this
criminal activity allows Trevor to ride his favourite political hobby-
horse on Usenet.

Gun-lover = one who has a truly pathetic personal disorder




Gun hater - a person who has a fear of inanimate objects and retarded
sexual and emotional maturity and a indicator of Hoplophobia.

**I know of no person who "hates" inanimate objects. Perhaps you'd care
to cite some verifiable examples. I won'
t hold my breath.


Clearly you fear them and fear leds to hate.

**Projection. For the record: I have fired guns. I do not fear them.

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity".

**Repeating a lie, does not make it truth. Whilst I'm certain there are
some people who do fear weapons, I can't say I've ever met anyone who
does. OTOH, I know a goodly number of people who do fear a nutter who is
holding a gun at them. Perhaps you could cite some people who fear
weapons. I won't hold my breath.


Nope that's your forte. How;s your buddy that can stop his hjeart to take
a
shot?

**Inability to respond rationally, duly noted. SOP. I accept that you know
no one who fears guns.

Hoplophobia, like
homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence.

**Bollocks. This is projection, based on a flawed descriptor.

Constatnly projecting what others they don't know would do and the raging
threats by antis on this group would seem to prove you wrong. Again.

**Nope. You cited the flawed descriptor and then went on to project your own
opinions, based on that flawed descriptor.

This would be
harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.

**What is wrong with good, strong, sane gun control laws? Do you feel
that criminals, drunks, drug addicts and nutters should have unfettered
access to firearms? Why do you feel that altering the US Constitution
(which has been done many times in the past) to reflect common sense,
logic and the progress of technology represents a "trashing of the
Constitution"?

Trevor I'm not going down this raod with you.

**I'll allow you another opportunity to answer the questions. If you fail to
do so, then we will all know, full well, that you are full of shit. Here are
the questions:

* What is wrong with good, strong, sane gun control laws?
* Do you feel that criminals, drunks, drug addicts and nutters should have
unfettered access to firearms?
* Why do you feel that altering the US Constitution (which has been done
many times in the past) to reflect common sense, logic and the progress of
technology represents a "trashing of the Constitution"?

Your "facts" and assumptions

are grossly flawed, your desire for government to dictate your life is
well
known and your inability to be truthful or back up your assertion is well
documented.

**Projection, projection, projection. Try to cite some facts once in awhile,
rather than projecting your opinions.

I would sooner argue with Weasel

**Just answer the questions, else risk being targetting as a fool. You're
(apparently) making a case for lax, incoherent, poorly policed gun control
laws. You need to answer the above questions, if you are to make a case for
such an experiment.

You're an idiot. Get used to it.

**This, coming from one who cannot answer simple questions, is rich.

I look forward to seeing the answers to these questions.

**Still waiting.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

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Trevor Wilson wrote:

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
**That was my point. In the US, a used, cheap handgun sells for as little
as US$50.00, through legal channels. Here in Australia, they are MUCH
more expensive. This restricts the number of handguns in the hands of low
level criminals. It does not eliminate ALL guns from the hands of ALL
criminals.
Even in the US, a $50 gun is likely to be more dangerous to the firer than
the firee.

**Perhaps. Nonetheless, cheap handguns are responsible for a very large
number of homicides in the US each year. I would certainly not stand at the
wrong end of such a gun. Would you?


ANother strawman tossa.. is that the best you can do