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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ERMu825m4
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Jasen Betts
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On 2015-07-25, JeĂus <ask@chevron.com> wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ERMu825m4
It's just Dave ranting. (I'm not saying he's wrong)
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ERMu825m4
It's just Dave ranting. (I'm not saying he's wrong)
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Phil Allison
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
** The Wikis on Noel Lee and Monster Inc gives more of the story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Lee_(executive)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_(company)
.... Phil
** The Wikis on Noel Lee and Monster Inc gives more of the story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Lee_(executive)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_(company)
.... Phil
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Trevor Wilson
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On 26/07/2015 6:58 AM, Je�us wrote:
**It all started back in the late 1970s. Hi fi dealers would, typically,
give speaker cable to customers when they purchased a system. The cable
was adequate, but crap. Usually around 1mm sq or less. Noel Lee arrived
on the scene with a great idea for dealers. Rather than giving cheap
cable away with a system, Lee's idea was to provide an expensive looking
cable, which could justify charging the customer extra money for. It
worked brilliantly. So much so that many other companies popped up,
making even more outrageous claims and charging higher prices. And so it
has been for the past 35 years.
Back in the 1970s and 1980s, hi fi and video dealers typically banked
more than 30% gross profit on most things that were sold. Things are
very different today. Dealers are lucky to make 10% GP on most audio and
video equipment. Often, the margin is significantly less. The only
profit centre left for dealers is in small items, like cables and plug
boards.
[Example] I went with a client to JB Hi Fi to pick up an HDMI cable for
his system (I didn't have a spare in my vehicle). JB's cheapest HDMI
cable was $32.00. I pay less than 4 Bucks for the same (identical) cable.
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**It all started back in the late 1970s. Hi fi dealers would, typically,
give speaker cable to customers when they purchased a system. The cable
was adequate, but crap. Usually around 1mm sq or less. Noel Lee arrived
on the scene with a great idea for dealers. Rather than giving cheap
cable away with a system, Lee's idea was to provide an expensive looking
cable, which could justify charging the customer extra money for. It
worked brilliantly. So much so that many other companies popped up,
making even more outrageous claims and charging higher prices. And so it
has been for the past 35 years.
Back in the 1970s and 1980s, hi fi and video dealers typically banked
more than 30% gross profit on most things that were sold. Things are
very different today. Dealers are lucky to make 10% GP on most audio and
video equipment. Often, the margin is significantly less. The only
profit centre left for dealers is in small items, like cables and plug
boards.
[Example] I went with a client to JB Hi Fi to pick up an HDMI cable for
his system (I didn't have a spare in my vehicle). JB's cheapest HDMI
cable was $32.00. I pay less than 4 Bucks for the same (identical) cable.
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Trevor Wilson
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On 26/07/2015 6:58 AM, Je�us wrote:
**BTW: None of this is new. The auto industry has been doing it for
decades. Here's an extreme example:
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/08/here-how-to-spend-100000-or-155000-on.html
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**BTW: None of this is new. The auto industry has been doing it for
decades. Here's an extreme example:
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/08/here-how-to-spend-100000-or-155000-on.html
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Clifford Heath
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On 28/07/15 09:07, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Can't stand driving a washing machine, with little idea when it's going
to start its spin cycle.
The only response I have for my Ferrari envy is that the Alfa I drive
was made by the folk who taught Enzo how to. (It actually is an Alfa,
too, from 1969, not a rebadged Fiat)
Can't stand driving a washing machine, with little idea when it's going
to start its spin cycle.
The only response I have for my Ferrari envy is that the Alfa I drive
was made by the folk who taught Enzo how to. (It actually is an Alfa,
too, from 1969, not a rebadged Fiat)
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Trevor
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On 27/07/2015 7:55 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Yep, and anybody can buy good ones for $5 from many computer shops who
work on tiny margins JB and HN wouldn't dream of. You didn't do your
client a favour by going to JBHiFi for one! I did the exact opposite
when I installed a friends TV, I took the cables JB sold them back and
swapped them for a BluRay player at almost no extra cost, (that's how
silly their pricing is) then bought the same quality cables elsewhere.
Result, very happy friend who only had a DVD player prior to that.
Trevor.
Yep, and anybody can buy good ones for $5 from many computer shops who
work on tiny margins JB and HN wouldn't dream of. You didn't do your
client a favour by going to JBHiFi for one! I did the exact opposite
when I installed a friends TV, I took the cables JB sold them back and
swapped them for a BluRay player at almost no extra cost, (that's how
silly their pricing is) then bought the same quality cables elsewhere.
Result, very happy friend who only had a DVD player prior to that.
Trevor.
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Trevor Wilson
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On 27/07/2015 9:54 PM, Trevor wrote:
**I had no option. I was in an unfamiliar area and had to source a Blu
Ray player at short notice for him. He said that JB Hi Fi was the only
place he knew of.
FWIW: I have wandered into my local JB a few times. EVERY SINGLE visit
has been a profoundly disappointing experience. DSE prices blow JB off
the planet. JB staff are largely comprised of morons. When searching for
a sound bar for a client, one idiot cranked the volume well into
clipping and then tried to explain that it was the best sound bar on the
market because it had 'tubes in it'. I ended up recommending a Bose
sound bar to my client. It actually DID sound very good indeed. I cannot
tell you how much it distresses me to recommend Bose. The damned things
actually sound good and are dead easy to use.
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**I had no option. I was in an unfamiliar area and had to source a Blu
Ray player at short notice for him. He said that JB Hi Fi was the only
place he knew of.
FWIW: I have wandered into my local JB a few times. EVERY SINGLE visit
has been a profoundly disappointing experience. DSE prices blow JB off
the planet. JB staff are largely comprised of morons. When searching for
a sound bar for a client, one idiot cranked the volume well into
clipping and then tried to explain that it was the best sound bar on the
market because it had 'tubes in it'. I ended up recommending a Bose
sound bar to my client. It actually DID sound very good indeed. I cannot
tell you how much it distresses me to recommend Bose. The damned things
actually sound good and are dead easy to use.
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:08:51 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Of course.
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Of course.
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:54:35 +1000, Trevor <trevor@home.net> wrote:
TW's post you're replying to never made it the server I'm using... a
little odd, that.
TW's post you're replying to never made it the server I'm using... a
little odd, that.
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:27:24 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
Heh...
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
Heh...
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On 26 Jul 2015 01:34:22 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
Well, it was amusing
Well, it was amusing
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Trevor Wilson
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On 28/07/2015 7:47 AM, Je�us wrote:
**The reason I cited the Ferrari, is because my first apprentice bought
his second Ferrari a few weeks back. A 458. Bastard. I thought I'd check
it out. The options price list is breath-taking. Mutual acquaintances
always said that when I first employed (right out of school) him, I'd
end up working for him. I'm doing a job for him on Friday. Anyway, the
only way I've been able to needle him about the Ferrari is that I noted
that it's not available in a manual. You can only buy them with what I
call a 'girly gearbox'. That seemed to upset him. Right up until the
moment he hopped behind the wheel. Bastard.
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**The reason I cited the Ferrari, is because my first apprentice bought
his second Ferrari a few weeks back. A 458. Bastard. I thought I'd check
it out. The options price list is breath-taking. Mutual acquaintances
always said that when I first employed (right out of school) him, I'd
end up working for him. I'm doing a job for him on Friday. Anyway, the
only way I've been able to needle him about the Ferrari is that I noted
that it's not available in a manual. You can only buy them with what I
call a 'girly gearbox'. That seemed to upset him. Right up until the
moment he hopped behind the wheel. Bastard.
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Trevor
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On 28/07/2015 7:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Considering how dear DSE is, that's saying something!
They don't employ engineers as salesmen that's for sure. I just nod and
smile, not worth arguing with them because they'd never understand.
Their sound bars sound OK, but are hellishly overpriced IMO (like
everything Bose makes). You can buy any number of powered monitors that
sound better for less money.
Trevor.
Considering how dear DSE is, that's saying something!
They don't employ engineers as salesmen that's for sure. I just nod and
smile, not worth arguing with them because they'd never understand.
Their sound bars sound OK, but are hellishly overpriced IMO (like
everything Bose makes). You can buy any number of powered monitors that
sound better for less money.
Trevor.
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Gordon Levi
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Trevor <trevor@home.net> wrote:
>On 28/07/2015 7:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
[snip]
Can you name a few please?
>On 28/07/2015 7:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
[snip]
Can you name a few please?
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Trevor Wilson
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On 30/07/2015 5:30 PM, Trevor wrote:
**Really? I've listened to quite a few sound bars. The Bose is not only
best of the lot, but is reasonably priced and dead easy for old farts to
use.
Please note: I am ONLY referring to their sound bars. Nothing else Bose
makes can reasonably compete in the market, sound wise. The sound bars
can, with ease. Companies like LG and Samsung can't build anything
remotely as good for the money.
Also note: I hate Bose. The company spends way too much money on
advertising and not enough on building quality into their products.
Except their sound bars. Not their surround sound systems. Sound bars.
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**Really? I've listened to quite a few sound bars. The Bose is not only
best of the lot, but is reasonably priced and dead easy for old farts to
use.
Please note: I am ONLY referring to their sound bars. Nothing else Bose
makes can reasonably compete in the market, sound wise. The sound bars
can, with ease. Companies like LG and Samsung can't build anything
remotely as good for the money.
Also note: I hate Bose. The company spends way too much money on
advertising and not enough on building quality into their products.
Except their sound bars. Not their surround sound systems. Sound bars.
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Trevor
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On 30/07/2015 7:35 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
OK, maybe they have one I'm not aware of but I don't like sound bars
anyway myself. I never said any of the other makes of sound bars were
any better. If you only watch the news they are fine I guess.
Trevor.
OK, maybe they have one I'm not aware of but I don't like sound bars
anyway myself. I never said any of the other makes of sound bars were
any better. If you only watch the news they are fine I guess.
Trevor.
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Gordon Levi
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Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
That sounds like me! Do you mean only the Bose Solo TV Sound System?
Would you include the Bose CineMate 15 Home Theatre Soundbar or do you
classify that as a "surround sound system"?
That sounds like me! Do you mean only the Bose Solo TV Sound System?
Would you include the Bose CineMate 15 Home Theatre Soundbar or do you
classify that as a "surround sound system"?
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Trevor Wilson
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On 30/07/2015 11:45 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
**Yup. That's the one.
**I'd call it a soundbar, with faults. Bose don't build subwoofers,
despite their constant claims. The regular soundbar is plenty good
enough for most old farts. The extra woofer (it's NOT a subwoofer by any
stretch) just muddies things up. Besides, you're starting to edge into
the territory where a proper surround sound system (not Bose) can be
justified.
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**Yup. That's the one.
**I'd call it a soundbar, with faults. Bose don't build subwoofers,
despite their constant claims. The regular soundbar is plenty good
enough for most old farts. The extra woofer (it's NOT a subwoofer by any
stretch) just muddies things up. Besides, you're starting to edge into
the territory where a proper surround sound system (not Bose) can be
justified.
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On 30/07/2015 7:57 PM, Trevor wrote:
**I did some research for a client who was very disappointed with his TV
set's sound (hardly surprising). I tried to persuade him to connect it
to his stereo system (the speakers are either side of the TV), but he
wasn't happy with several aspects of the set-up (including the sound),
despite the fact that he was using quite a decent pair of speakers and
amplification. He suggested a sound bar. I had never bothered with them,
so did a little research. They all sounded disgusting. REALLY
disgusting. And, they were not cheap. I was about to give him the bad
news, until I happened to wander into my local DJs. Buried in the corner
I spied the Bose sound bar. I was, naturally, going to walk on by, but,
for some reason, I decided to press the big red button. The damned thing
sounded great. The remote was clearly designed for old farts and the
price was easily competitive. Client purchased one and is very happy.
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**I did some research for a client who was very disappointed with his TV
set's sound (hardly surprising). I tried to persuade him to connect it
to his stereo system (the speakers are either side of the TV), but he
wasn't happy with several aspects of the set-up (including the sound),
despite the fact that he was using quite a decent pair of speakers and
amplification. He suggested a sound bar. I had never bothered with them,
so did a little research. They all sounded disgusting. REALLY
disgusting. And, they were not cheap. I was about to give him the bad
news, until I happened to wander into my local DJs. Buried in the corner
I spied the Bose sound bar. I was, naturally, going to walk on by, but,
for some reason, I decided to press the big red button. The damned thing
sounded great. The remote was clearly designed for old farts and the
price was easily competitive. Client purchased one and is very happy.
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www.rageaudio.com.au
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