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Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.
Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??
 
"S Roby"
Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.

** More description needed.

Commercial amps have all kinds of different heatsink designs.


Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??

** Depends how they are made, ie extruded, machined or fabricated.

The ones used in domestic amps are the very lowest COST for their job.



........... Phil
 
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:39:52 GMT, email@gooble.gooble (S Roby) put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.
Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??
I would expect that the heatsink with the most surface area per unit
volume would work best, all other things being equal.

-- Franc Zabkar

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"Franc Zabkar":
I would expect that the heatsink with the most surface area per unit
volume would work best, all other things being equal.

** Go read a book on heatsink design.

Its part of "analogue electronics" - the only real kind.

You fucking digital puke.




........... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Franc Zabkar":

I would expect that the heatsink with the most surface area per unit
volume would work best, all other things being equal.



** Go read a book on heatsink design.

Its part of "analogue electronics" - the only real kind.

You fucking digital puke.




.......... Phil



Geez, dont hold back Phil !!
tell it like it is !!

--
Regards ......... Rheilly Phoull
 
"S Roby" <email@gooble.gooble> wrote in message
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Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.
Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??
**There's no one, correct answer. The heatsinks you've seen usually take two
forms.
1) A slab of flat aluminium bar, is (for want of a better term) 'planed',
until very thin strips of metal are formed, curved and away from the bar.
The central bar is reasonably thick and there's lots of surface area, so it
works well.
2) A central bar of aluminium has an accordion shaped piece of aluminium
bonded to it, with approximately the same effect as #1.

Thick fins allow more thermal mass and, in some cases better heat transfer.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Rheilly Phoull"
"Phil Allison" "Franc Zabkar":

I would expect that the heatsink with the most surface area per unit
volume would work best, all other things being equal.



** Go read a book on heatsink design.

Its part of "analogue electronics" - the only real kind.

You fucking digital puke.


Geez, dont hold back Phil !!
tell it like it is !!

** Yeah - I always give Franc a bit of leeway.

Seeing as he comes from an absolute shithole like Yugoslavia.




.......... Phil
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"S Roby" <email@gooble.gooble> wrote in message
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Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.
Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??

**There's no one, correct answer. The heatsinks you've seen usually take two forms.
1) A slab of flat aluminium bar, is (for want of a better term) 'planed', until very
thin strips of metal are formed, curved and away from the bar. The central bar is
reasonably thick and there's lots of surface area, so it works well.
2) A central bar of aluminium has an accordion shaped piece of aluminium bonded to
it, with approximately the same effect as #1.

Thick fins allow more thermal mass and, in some cases better heat transfer.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
Trevor,

what is the significance of thermal mass in a heatsink? With constant dissipation
isn't thermal mass irrelevant?

-Andrew M
 
"Andrew M" <noone@home> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"S Roby" <email@gooble.gooble> wrote in message
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Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.
Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??

**There's no one, correct answer. The heatsinks you've seen usually take
two forms.
1) A slab of flat aluminium bar, is (for want of a better term) 'planed',
until very thin strips of metal are formed, curved and away from the bar.
The central bar is reasonably thick and there's lots of surface area, so
it works well.
2) A central bar of aluminium has an accordion shaped piece of aluminium
bonded to it, with approximately the same effect as #1.

Thick fins allow more thermal mass and, in some cases better heat
transfer.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



Trevor,

what is the significance of thermal mass in a heatsink? With constant
dissipation isn't thermal mass irrelevant?
**Sort of, however:

* Amplifiers do not generate constant amounts of heat.
* Large amounts of aluminium allow better heat transfer (lower thermal
resistance).


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:53:42 +1000, "Andrew M" <noone@home> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:435cb5d1@news.comindico.com.au...

"S Roby" <email@gooble.gooble> wrote in message
news:hi_6f.2174$S24.152834@news.xtra.co.nz...
Commercial home amps have internal heatsinks with very thin fins.
Yet heatsinks from Jaycar etc have rather thick fins.
Which actually works better, thin or thick fins??

**There's no one, correct answer. The heatsinks you've seen usually take two forms.
1) A slab of flat aluminium bar, is (for want of a better term) 'planed', until very
thin strips of metal are formed, curved and away from the bar. The central bar is
reasonably thick and there's lots of surface area, so it works well.
2) A central bar of aluminium has an accordion shaped piece of aluminium bonded to
it, with approximately the same effect as #1.

Thick fins allow more thermal mass and, in some cases better heat transfer.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



Trevor,

what is the significance of thermal mass in a heatsink? With constant dissipation
isn't thermal mass irrelevant?

-Andrew M
Heatsinks move heat in three ways - conduction, convection, and
radiation. For a given geometry, a heatsink's mass determines its
conduction efficiency, its surface area its convection efficiency, and
its radiation efficiency is improved by anodising or painting it. For
a typical finned heatsink there is an optimal spacing below which
efficiency begins to decrease. My memory is not good enough, but I
believe the reason involves some principle of fluid dynamics, maybe
drag. In any case closely spaced fins more readily collect dust.

If I were you I'd search for app notes and datasheets from companies
specialising in this field. I expect heatsink design is more of an
empirical exercise than a theoretical one.

This article looks useful:
http://www.electronics-cooling.com/Resources/EC_Articles/JUN95/jun95_01.htm

-- Franc Zabkar

Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 

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