America's biggest mistake

America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).

 

[bitrex]

On 7/18/19 8:39 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:

America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).

u were America's biggest mistake

 

tubeguy@myshop.com wrote in news:n342jelsnpvottebusslrit3um4pkcodoc@
4ax.com:

(Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).

Those are the world over, and you incorrectly chose "cellphones"
when clearly kids today are addicted to "stupid shit".

"Cellphones" are a sub-group of the "stupid shit" group, so you
were close.

America has estimated a huge loss in productivity due to employees
thinking that stopping work to entertain personal endeavors is an OK
thing.

It is that damned NYC criminal landlord mentality thing creeping in
again.

NO, idiots! There is no "do whatever the fuck you want" crap in
the workplace. You should all get shitcanned.

 

[Winfield Hill]

tubeguy@myshop.com wrote...

America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon
50 years ago. This was the start of satellites,
which lead to the cell phones.

The satellite to cell-phone connection is tenuous.
A better bogeyman would be the invention of the
flat lithium battery. The cell-phone popularity
never would have happened with Ni-Cd batteries.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

Russia was the first in orbit.

Must have been a cold war plot.

 

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 2:01:16 PM UTC-4, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

Russia was the first in orbit.

Must have been a cold war plot.

+1

And there is little proof that even satellites, much less landing on
the moon, lead to cell phones. Claiming satellites lead to GPS would
be accurate.

 

Cell phones run on cell towers. Very few people have sat phones and most of them work for a government somewhere or their contractors.

There still are transatlanic cables but the satellites make it so much easier if you want to call someone in Britain from the US.

 

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:53:27 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Cell phones run on cell towers. Very few people have sat phones and most of them work for a government somewhere or their contractors.

There still are transatlanic cables but the satellites make it so much easier if you want to call someone in Britain from the US.

Having an ordinary telephone conversation over a geostationary
satellite link is painful due to the propagation delay. You had to
wait a l o o n g time (nearly half a second) after the opponent
stopped talking before you should start talking to avoid duplicates.
..

 

[mpm]

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:39:06 PM UTC-4, tub...@myshop.com wrote:

America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).

On the plus side, at least the kids aren't addicted to Tang!

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 19/07/2019 10:39 am, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:

America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).

Telstars 1 and 2 were in space by 1963. Communications satellites were
already a thing.

The moon landings were little more than a distraction. Unfortunately,
they lea on to the shuttle, which probably put manned space development
back 25 years.

That's if we actually need manned space development, which is far from
clear. Going back to the moon is as pointless as going to the moon was
in the first place. A great adventure, for sure, but not much else.

Ditto going to Mars, though if Musk wants to find people, not being tax
payers, to finance it, I suppose it's up to him.

Sylvia.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:35:08 AM UTC+2, bitrex wrote:

On 7/18/19 8:39 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).


u were America's biggest mistake.

Not while Donald Trump is around.

And the propostion that the Apollo program had anything to do with cellular telephones seems irrational.

The classic Bell Labs paper on cellular mobile telephony doesn't say anything about satellite links - even low orbit satellites are too far away for the customers to let the cell diimensions get small enough to be useful.

The Iridium system never made any money - it turned out that there weren't enough customers in place where the population density was too low to support a decent density of cell towers (partly because cell phones became popular rather faster than the Iridium plan had anticipated).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On 19 Jul 2019 07:54:55 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

tubeguy@myshop.com wrote...
America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon
50 years ago. This was the start of satellites,
which lead to the cell phones.

The satellite to cell-phone connection is tenuous.
A better bogeyman would be the invention of the
flat lithium battery. The cell-phone popularity
never would have happened with Ni-Cd batteries.

I beg to differ. The cell phone would have been larger and heavier,
but so much as to make it unusable.

Specific Energy Energy Density
Watt-hr/kg Watt-hr/liter
LiPo 200 500
NiCd 30 100
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_commercial_battery_types>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery>

For the same level of performance and runtime, if today's cell phones
were powered by a NiCd battery, the battery section (not the whole
phone) would be
200/30 = 6.7 times heavier
and
500/100 = 5 times volumetrically larger
than a LiPo battery.

I recall dragging around a bag phone powered by a lead-acid battery,
and not complaining (much) about the size and weight. Imagine your
present cell phone powered by 5 to 7 identical LiPo cells, instead of
just one. The resulting phone would be larger and heavier, but not
enough to make the phone unusable.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:39:32 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 19/07/2019 10:39 am, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).



Telstars 1 and 2 were in space by 1963. Communications satellites were
already a thing.

The moon landings were little more than a distraction. Unfortunately,
they lea on to the shuttle, which probably put manned space development
back 25 years.

That's if we actually need manned space development, which is far from
clear.

In his 1945 historic paper, Arthur C Clarke suggested three
geostationary space stations to cover the communication needs of the
whole globe. The stations had to be manned, so that the crew could
replace failed tubes

Other than that, I see practically no needs for manned spaceflight.

Going back to the moon is as pointless as going to the moon was
in the first place. A great adventure, for sure, but not much else.

Ditto going to Mars, though if Musk wants to find people, not being tax
payers, to finance it, I suppose it's up to him.

Sylvia.

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:39:06 PM UTC-7, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
> America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago.

There's a spoof of that scenario, a motion picture masterpiece

<https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045468/>

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:65def308-d7b4-49b1-b0f8-faf53920bc42@googlegroups.com:

The classic Bell Labs paper on cellular mobile telephony doesn't
say anything about satellite links -

That's because motorola developed it.
They started in 1946.

AT&T 'conceived' of it (actual cell based telephony), but they went
nowhere with it.

In 1968 the FCC allocated the 800 - 900 MHz band for it.

But no. Cell phone systems need no sat links to operate.

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gpi1j6F27tkU1@mid.individual.net:

On 19/07/2019 10:39 am, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago.
This was the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones.
Now we have a generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to
cellphones who have no real lives).



Telstars 1 and 2 were in space by 1963. Communications satellites
were already a thing.

Yeah, and it had nothing to do with cell tech either.

> The moon landings were little more than a distraction.

You are not very bright. Sheesh. Whoever "taught' you should give
his degrees back.

Fairchild semiconductor might beg to differ, and Intel would not
even exist. You were saying?

Unfortunately, they lea on to the shuttle, which probably put
manned space development back 25 years.

Wow. You and Larkin should get married or start some secret retards
with degrees society.

> That's if we actually need manned space development,

You really have no clue what is revealed in microgravity science
experimentation then, eh? Again, you ain't all that bright... in
the slightest.

which is far
from clear.

How can you tell with those horse blinders on and dialed to a thin
slit?

Going back to the moon is as pointless as going to the
moon was in the first place.

There are plenty of reasons to go to the Moon and to set up a base
there.

After centuries we barely know what lies under our planet's watery
covered surfaces. Yet we still explore.

As far as space or other low pressure environments. We still need
to explore and expand our knowledge. Even if it is dangerous and a
single mistake can kill. So what? A single mistake at an Antarctic
base can kill too. Wake up, ditz. You would not even be typing this
message or have anything (even something which is correct) stuffed
into that brain of yours if it were not for the USA and NASA.

You are a disgrace to the science community.

A great adventure, for sure, but not
much else.

You are an idiot... not much else, Else.

Ditto going to Mars, though if Musk wants to find people, not
being tax payers, to finance it, I suppose it's up to him.

You are just riddled with bent perceptions. What a shame.

 

[mpm]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 6:33:10 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:65def308-d7b4-49b1-b0f8-faf53920bc42@googlegroups.com:

The classic Bell Labs paper on cellular mobile telephony doesn't
say anything about satellite links -

That's because motorola developed it.
They started in 1946.

AT&T 'conceived' of it (actual cell based telephony), but they went
nowhere with it.

In 1968 the FCC allocated the 800 - 900 MHz band for it.

But no. Cell phone systems need no sat links to operate.

Modern-day cell networks need GPS.
It is used for time-base synchronization at the cell site, among other things, such as E-911 location assist.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 21/07/2019 8:43 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gpi1j6F27tkU1@mid.individual.net:

On 19/07/2019 10:39 am, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago.
This was the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones.
Now we have a generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to
cellphones who have no real lives).



Telstars 1 and 2 were in space by 1963. Communications satellites
were already a thing.

Yeah, and it had nothing to do with cell tech either.

The moon landings were little more than a distraction.

You are not very bright. Sheesh. Whoever "taught' you should give
his degrees back.

Fairchild semiconductor might beg to differ, and Intel would not
even exist. You were saying?

Unfortunately, they lea on to the shuttle, which probably put
manned space development back 25 years.

Wow. You and Larkin should get married or start some secret retards
with degrees society.

That's if we actually need manned space development,

You really have no clue what is revealed in microgravity science
experimentation then, eh? Again, you ain't all that bright... in
the slightest.
which is far
from clear.

How can you tell with those horse blinders on and dialed to a thin
slit?

Going back to the moon is as pointless as going to the
moon was in the first place.

There are plenty of reasons to go to the Moon and to set up a base
there.

After centuries we barely know what lies under our planet's watery
covered surfaces. Yet we still explore.

As far as space or other low pressure environments. We still need
to explore and expand our knowledge. Even if it is dangerous and a
single mistake can kill. So what? A single mistake at an Antarctic
base can kill too. Wake up, ditz. You would not even be typing this
message or have anything (even something which is correct) stuffed
into that brain of yours if it were not for the USA and NASA.

You are a disgrace to the science community.

A great adventure, for sure, but not
much else.

You are an idiot... not much else, Else.

Ditto going to Mars, though if Musk wants to find people, not
being tax payers, to finance it, I suppose it's up to him.

You are just riddled with bent perceptions. What a shame.

Such an emotional rant. Are you so worried that I might be right?

Sylvia.

 

[Joseph Gwinn]

On Jul 20, 2019, Bill Sloman wrote
(in article<65def308-d7b4-49b1-b0f8-faf53920bc42@googlegroups.com&gt:

On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:35:08 AM UTC+2, bitrex wrote:
On 7/18/19 8:39 PM, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:
America's biggest mistake was landing on the moon 50 years ago. This was
the start of satellites, which lead to the cell phones. Now we have a
generation of idiot "cell tards". (Kids addicted to cellphones who have
no real lives).


u were America's biggest mistake.

Not while Donald Trump is around.

And the propostion that the Apollo program had anything to do with cellular
telephones seems irrational.

Well, there is an indirect connection - development of high-reliability
semiconductors was very much driven by the needs of the space program, and of
military systems.

.
The classic Bell Labs paper on cellular mobile telephony doesn't say anything
about satellite links - even low orbit satellites are too far away for the
customers to let the cell diimensions get small enough to be useful.

I don´t know who first had the idea (some claim Motorola), but Bell Labs
worked out the theory. But the political decision was to keep the Bell System
out of this area, because it was not legally obvious that cell phones should
be a regulated monopoly (unlike landlines for instance), and letting a
regulated monopoly into any unregulated market raises issues of
cross-subsidy, where the monopoly uses monopoly profits to undersell all
competitors.

So, Bell was not allowed to do anything, and Motorola became the first mover.

.
The Iridium system never made any money - it turned out that there weren't
enough customers in place where the population density was too low to support
a decent density of cell towers (partly because cell phones became popular
rather faster than the Iridium plan had anticipated).

I don´t know the full story of Iridium, but this is certainly a plausible
theory.

Joe Gwinn (Whose first job out of school was at the Federal Communications
Commission - I was a teenage regulator)

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in news:gpj9b9FacgkU1
@mid.individual.net:

Such an emotional rant. Are you so worried that I might be right?

Sylvia.

I am worried that there are a number of idiots like you running
around spouting pure bullshit. Are you related to Donald J. Trump?

You are about as right as an unflushed turd.