Am I the only one that noticed?

The Johns Hopkins tracking site shows the "reported cases" "dots" in
countries around the world as a single dot. Only the US has detailed
spread data shown, and china has a lot of more localized data points
too, but the US most definitely has the most reporting.

Doing what we can with what we have.

We should have been testing weeks ago, and we still are not moving
fast enough in that arena alone.

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities to
re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

Trump demanding that State Governors bow to him and sing praises of
him to get assistance has to be one of the most lame things he has done
to date in office. Giuliani confirmed his mindset and NYC shyster
behavior model. The stupid, criminal bastard really cannot be trusted
and certainly not with the running of the nation.

 

[Winfield Hill]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities to
re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:r5q77p02jen@drn.newsguy.com:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and
distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities
to re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.

Hard stainless tools are one thing, and they STOPPED doing that
with AIDS.

Masks do not fare well in an autoclave.

No. They are typically treated as biohazard medical waste.

So a system has to be decided on and facilities have to be made use
of or the military airbag hospitals need to set up units specifically
for producing a steady stream of (acceptably) sterilized reuseables.

 

[legg]

On 29 Mar 2020 06:18:49 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities to
re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.

Most PPE is disposable - none survives a shift change or
quarantine barrier crossing.

There's been some work on irradiation methods, but
nothing conclusive so far.

RL

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 9:19:09 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities to
re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.

They used sterilizable equipment in WWI and WWII. We eventually realized this was not only expensive and labor intensive, but less effective than new equipment for every use. So today's equipment is designed from the ground up to be disposable. Reusing the face shields is not much different from reusing plastic gloves. Sterilizing equipment is not an option because if nothing else, there are not facilities to sterilize them. It's just way too much work at a time when they are short staffed for the loads they are bearing anyway.

We need to ramp up production, and hugely. It's not complicated. We need to actually do some of the things Trump says he is doing.

This situation was entirely foreseeable a month ago and was predicted by many. Why has so little been done in the intervening time?

--

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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 9:19:09 AM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities to
re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.

The respirator masks cannot be adequately cleaned without damaging the fibers and thereby compromising its functionality for future use.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2006/04/reuse-of-disposable-medical-masks-during-flu-pandemic-not-recommended-reusing-respirators-is-complicated

--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[Mikko OH2HVJ]

Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> writes:

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.

When suspecting aerosol route, FFP3 level masks are used. The stocks of
those run out quite fast with these volumes of patients.

They're not made to be sterilized and are easily damaged. Autoclave
damages and EtO is slow, but there are two methods that may be doable
for a bit higher volumes.

-70 degC oven for 30min
-100 degC steam for 10min

Sources:

https://stanfordmedicine.app.box.com/v/covid19-PPE-1-1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781738/

--
mikko

 

[Robert Baer]

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:r5q77p02jen@drn.newsguy.com:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and
distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization facilities
to re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.



Hard stainless tools are one thing, and they STOPPED doing that
with AIDS.

Masks do not fare well in an autoclave.

No. They are typically treated as biohazard medical waste.

So a system has to be decided on and facilities have to be made use
of or the military airbag hospitals need to set up units specifically
for producing a steady stream of (acceptably) sterilized reuseables.

? Try UV lamps...

 

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
news:HxdgG.1324382$hD4.678554@fx47.iad:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:r5q77p02jen@drn.newsguy.com:

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote...

IF we cannot get masks and some other products made and
distributed
to our health workers, we need to set up sterilization
facilities to re-use masks and other elements of the PPE.

What do we know about that scene? Hospitals are used to
sterilizing items and do it routinely, but there must be
something different about Covid-19.



Hard stainless tools are one thing, and they STOPPED doing
that
with AIDS.

Masks do not fare well in an autoclave.

No. They are typically treated as biohazard medical waste.

So a system has to be decided on and facilities have to be
made use
of or the military airbag hospitals need to set up units
specifically for producing a steady stream of (acceptably)
sterilized reuseables.

? Try UV lamps...

Needs to be more than just that.

It is a logistical thing. There needs to be a suited up person
taking in old stock for processing. Then the process needs to be
more than mere UV irradiation. Maybe some quick plasma shots. A
little Tesla action. Or an alcohol vapor phase wash tank. No other
chemicals though.

Along with the UV of course.

Then, they need to be packaged back up in boxes easily identifiable
from the new stock.

As for the test stations...

They could also have meat packing house 'saran wrap' rolls, which
are huge, btw, hanging up in front of the examiner. The patient is
on the other side, and a new sheet gets pulled down after each
patient. It would provide one more layer of spittle protection.