Alumina Powder-High Purity, anyone here have an interest?...

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amdx

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I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not generated any
interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5 gallon
bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore the
EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek
 
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not generated any
interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5 gallon
bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore the
EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

DIY sand paper?

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amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.

Funny how when one puts a blanket around something it wasts to get
all cozy warm.
 
Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f3f1f8cc-c5c9-4d94-bd6d-3939e03e5f4bn@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek


DIY sand paper?

It is not garnet.
 
On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek



We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.

Did you ever measure the improvement?
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek



We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.



Did you ever measure the improvement?

When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters. Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit. Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

Our fix worked. We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated. They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop. Very
specialized front end circuit. They bought a few from us every
couple years. HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions. So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry... \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices. Errr price. Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with. We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.
 
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek



We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.



Did you ever measure the improvement?



When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters. Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit. Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

Our fix worked. We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated. They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop. Very
specialized front end circuit. They bought a few from us every
couple years. HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions. So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry... \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices. Errr price. Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with. We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.

I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.
 
On 8/29/2022 9:55 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.


Did you ever measure the improvement?


When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters. Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit. Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

Our fix worked. We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated. They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop. Very
specialized front end circuit. They bought a few from us every
couple years. HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions. So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry... \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices. Errr price. Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with. We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.
I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.
Well, I have 2.2 lbs for someone to experiment with! :)
                               Mikek
 
amdx wrote:
On 8/29/2022 9:55 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

  We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally.  Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor.  But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.


Did you ever measure the improvement?


  When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters.  Plain potting...  fried
parts, failed unit.  Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

  The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

  Our fix worked.  We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

  This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated.  They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop.  Very
specialized front end circuit.  They bought a few from us every
couple years.  HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions.  So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry...  \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

  The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices.   Errr  price.  Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

  I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with.  We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.
I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

Well, I have 2.2 lbs for someone to experiment with! :)
                               Mikek

Is that the same bag of 0.1 um powder you were talking about last year?

\'Cuz that stuff is not safe if it gets airborne.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 29/08/2022 15:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek



We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.



Did you ever measure the improvement?



When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters. Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit. Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

Our fix worked. We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated. They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop. Very
specialized front end circuit. They bought a few from us every
couple years. HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions. So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry... \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices. Errr price. Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with. We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.

I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

Don\'t know what the filler material was but I used plenty filled epoxy
potting resin for enhanced thermal conductivity. Stuff had a spec of
1.25W/m.K versus unfilled resins about 0.5 to 0.7W/m.K

Datasheets from likes of Masterbond, Dow, Polytec, Wacker, Araldite etc
may help?

piglet
 
On 8/29/2022 3:46 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
amdx wrote:
On 8/29/2022 9:55 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

  We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally.  Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor.  But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.


Did you ever measure the improvement?


  When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters.  Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit.  Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

  The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

  Our fix worked.  We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

  This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated.  They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop.  Very
specialized front end circuit.  They bought a few from us every
couple years.  HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions.  So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry...  \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

  The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices.   Errr  price.  Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

  I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with.  We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.
I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

Well, I have 2.2 lbs for someone to experiment with! :)
                                Mikek

Is that the same bag of 0.1 um powder you were talking about last year?

\'Cuz that stuff is not safe if it gets airborne.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
I agree.
This was discarded from my son\'s workplace. Somewhere I had mentioned
alumina, so he thought I might be interested.
Since no one wants it, I\'m going to have him take it back to work and
let them discard it.
                                                       Mikek
 
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:sokpghh6ec1g5t10dafc9lkps5sgor4bsk@4ax.com:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please
ignore the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know.
Email is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek



We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it
respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor
thermal conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can
run away. Add some powder and it works well enough to keep it at
bay.



Did you ever measure the improvement?



When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside
it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters. Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit. Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving
unit.

The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of
these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the
other two and then only one goes up on the device.

Our fix worked. We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat
they generated. They were HV supplies with a log amp control
loop. Very specialized front end circuit. They bought a few from
us every couple years. HV supplies are almost always custom as
few are \"off the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not
suitable for some environmental and load conditions. So nearly
every customer has the same complaint unless they know the
industry... \"Why does something that is so small cost so much?\"

The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices. Errr price. Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with. We had
to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place
the HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor
of the HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all
X-ray supplies need to be.

I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

No we did not quantify it. We did qualify that it worked in our
scenario, however.

And I think it was recommended by the maker (maybe distributor)of
the potting compound.
 
amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:tejlr1$19b6f$1@dont-email.me:

On 8/29/2022 3:46 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
amdx wrote:
On 8/29/2022 9:55 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel
5 gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please
ignore the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know.
Email is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

  We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it
respond better thermally.  Sure, potting compound is
already a poor thermal conductor.  But zero conduction
means that a part can run away. Add some powder and it works
well enough to keep it at bay.


Did you ever measure the improvement?


  When one does destructive testing, one takes a product
outside it\'s specified circuit capacity parameters.  Plain
potting... fried parts, failed unit.  Filled potting, no
fried parts, surviving unit.

  The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three
of these custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss
out of the other two and then only one goes up on the device.

  Our fix worked.  We explored it and proved it and they
also beat the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

  This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero
\"air cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept
whatever heat they generated.  They were HV supplies with a
log amp control loop.  Very specialized front end circuit. 
They bought a few from us every couple years.  HV supplies
are almost always custom as few are \"off the shelf\" types, the
few there may be, are not suitable for some environmental and
load conditions.  So nearly every customer has the same
complaint unless they know the industry...  \"Why does
something that is so small cost so much?\"

  The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than
many electronic devices.   Errr  price.  Nearly all have
to be custom engineered because all HV loads differ.

  I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with.  We
had to incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV
output to place the HV node six inches down a tube, away from
the return conductor of the HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as
all X-ray supplies need to be.
I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

Well, I have 2.2 lbs for someone to experiment with! :)
                               
Mikek

Is that the same bag of 0.1 um powder you were talking about last
year?

\'Cuz that stuff is not safe if it gets airborne.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I agree.
This was discarded from my son\'s workplace. Somewhere I had
mentioned alumina, so he thought I might be interested.
Since no one wants it, I\'m going to have him take it back to work
and let them discard it.
                                 
                      Mikek

The \"snow\" in The Wizard of Oz was Asbestos tufts.

Dye it purple and tell everyone that it is Beryllium powder.
Probably sell on day one.
 
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 06:31:54 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:sokpghh6ec1g5t10dafc9lkps5sgor4bsk@4ax.com:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please
ignore the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know.
Email is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek



We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it
respond
better thermally. Sure, potting compound is already a poor
thermal conductor. But zero conduction means that a part can
run away. Add some powder and it works well enough to keep it at
bay.



Did you ever measure the improvement?



When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside
it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters. Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit. Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving
unit.

The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of
these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the
other two and then only one goes up on the device.

Our fix worked. We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat
they generated. They were HV supplies with a log amp control
loop. Very specialized front end circuit. They bought a few from
us every couple years. HV supplies are almost always custom as
few are \"off the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not
suitable for some environmental and load conditions. So nearly
every customer has the same complaint unless they know the
industry... \"Why does something that is so small cost so much?\"

The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices. Errr price. Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with. We had
to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place
the HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor
of the HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all
X-ray supplies need to be.

I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

No we did not quantify it. We did qualify that it worked in our
scenario, however.

And I think it was recommended by the maker (maybe distributor)of
the potting compound.

I\'d expect that you\'d need a lot of fill to get theta down, basically
make putty.

It\'s interesting that commercial alumina filled pourable epoxies hit
numbers like 1.5 w/mK. Silver filled is about 3.

I use a soft, almost foamy rubbery sheet that makes 5 when gently
compresed, and some hit 7 or 8.
 
On 2022-08-30, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
On 8/29/2022 3:46 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
amdx wrote:
On 8/29/2022 9:55 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

  We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally.  Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor.  But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.


Did you ever measure the improvement?


  When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters.  Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit.  Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

  The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

  Our fix worked.  We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

  This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated.  They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop.  Very
specialized front end circuit.  They bought a few from us every
couple years.  HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions.  So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry...  \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

  The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices.   Errr  price.  Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

  I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with.  We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.
I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

Well, I have 2.2 lbs for someone to experiment with! :)
                                Mikek

Is that the same bag of 0.1 um powder you were talking about last year?

\'Cuz that stuff is not safe if it gets airborne.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I agree.
This was discarded from my son\'s workplace. Somewhere I had mentioned
alumina, so he thought I might be interested.
Since no one wants it, I\'m going to have him take it back to work and
let them discard it.
                                                       Mikek

bake some microwave oven rubies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcdRQmQcHQ

--
Jasen.
 
On 9/1/2022 2:33 AM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-08-30, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
On 8/29/2022 3:46 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
amdx wrote:
On 8/29/2022 9:55 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 07:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:iehngh51ngbn340ap9onrqibvf0fslluts@4ax.com:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 19:20:49 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote in news:teg3do$lj0d$1@dont-email.me:

I have 1 kilo of Alumina Powder-High Purity. It has not
generated
any interest on Ebay,

so, I\'ll give it away for shipping cost. Comes in a steel 5
gallon bucket with double bagged powder.
You can look at Ebay listing for all the details. Please ignore
the EBay shipping cost, I will get actual
cost before shipping. May be higher or lower, don\'t know. Email
is good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195276572609

Mikek

  We used to mix that into our potting compound to make it respond
better thermally.  Sure, potting compound is already a poor thermal
conductor.  But zero conduction means that a part can run away. Add
some powder and it works well enough to keep it at bay.

Did you ever measure the improvement?


  When one does destructive testing, one takes a product outside it\'s
specified circuit capacity parameters.  Plain potting... fried
parts, failed unit.  Filled potting, no fried parts, surviving unit.

  The complaint was made to us by a customer that buys three of these
custom supplies and destroys one and tests the piss out of the other
two and then only one goes up on the device.

  Our fix worked.  We explored it and proved it and they also beat
the piss out of it and proved the fix worked.

  This was NOAA and high altitude weather balloons and zero \"air
cooling\" capacity at those altitudes so they kept whatever heat they
generated.  They were HV supplies with a log amp control loop.  Very
specialized front end circuit.  They bought a few from us every
couple years.  HV supplies are almost always custom as few are \"off
the shelf\" types, the few there may be, are not suitable for some
environmental and load conditions.  So nearly every customer has the
same complaint unless they know the industry...  \"Why does something
that is so small cost so much?\"

  The smaller ones have a higher per cubic inch cost than many
electronic devices.   Errr  price.  Nearly all have to be custom
engineered because all HV loads differ.

  I liked the one we did for LANL to look at Nukes with.  We had to
incorporate a custom HV poke connector for the HV output to place the
HV node six inches down a tube, away from the return conductor of the
HV coax output cable.
I can\'t remember, but ISTR it was 50kV 250W, low ripple, as all X-ray
supplies need to be.
I was wondering if you measured the unfilled and filled thermal
conductivity.

Well, I have 2.2 lbs for someone to experiment with! :)
                                Mikek
Is that the same bag of 0.1 um powder you were talking about last year?

\'Cuz that stuff is not safe if it gets airborne.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I agree.
This was discarded from my son\'s workplace. Somewhere I had mentioned
alumina, so he thought I might be interested.
Since no one wants it, I\'m going to have him take it back to work and
let them discard it.
                                                       Mikek
bake some microwave oven rubies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcdRQmQcHQ
Uh oh, I have a welder, I have carbon rods from a carbon arc search
light, I have small crucibles.
I\'m tempted. If my chemist son has any interest, maybe.
                                 Mikek
 
Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

bake some microwave oven rubies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcdRQmQcHQ

This requires aluminum oxide. However, your link contains references to how
to make Starlite, an inexpensive and effective heat shield. For example:

\"K40 Laser vs. Starlite Super Insulator\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_6fONbnIUI

As well as satellite heat shields, this could nullify the Israeli Iron
Beam:

\"Iron Beam: How Israel’s New Laser Weapon Works | WSJ\"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1frHtUEqd4E

As well as US laser defenses:

\"Will Groundbreaking New Laser Weapon System Give US Navy The Edge Against
China?\"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daId7mx2Hio

A multimillion laser defense system can be disabled by a few pennies worth
of household ingredients that anyone can make at home!






--
MRM
 

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