Altronics vs Jaycar

[David L. Jones]

Went into the new Sydney Altronics store today. I actually got ICs on
proper conductive foam and in a proper ESD shielding bag. I was
gobsmacked.
Don't know what happens handling wise before that, but at least they
have their act together at the counter.
Jaycar of course still dish'em out on the ridiculous al-foil covered
styrofoam and pop them into regular plasic bags.

Also got a small drill from Jaycar. They didn't have it on the shelf
but had it hidden out the back because they have to warn customers
before they sell it that "it runs a little fast". Not surprising
considering it has a 12V plugpack to charge the 4 x AA batteries! -
kept us laughing all the way back to the lab.

Think I'll be doing more shopping at the Altronics store from now
on...

Dave

 

[John_H]

David L. Jones wrote:

Went into the new Sydney Altronics store today. I actually got ICs on
proper conductive foam and in a proper ESD shielding bag. I was
gobsmacked.
Don't know what happens handling wise before that, but at least they
have their act together at the counter.
Jaycar of course still dish'em out on the ridiculous al-foil covered
styrofoam and pop them into regular plasic bags.

Last time I got my nearest DSE store to post some out they chucked 'em
in a plastic bag with the legs entwined -- no protection whatsoever.

Last time I tried Altronics mail order the service was hopeless,
Jaycar were always somewhat better and DSE were slower than three wet
weeks.

For those of us who don't have a local outlet WES or Farnell leave
the rest for dead.

--
John H

 

[The Real Andy]

On 13 Jul 2004 22:25:14 -0700, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

Went into the new Sydney Altronics store today. I actually got ICs on
proper conductive foam and in a proper ESD shielding bag. I was
gobsmacked.
Don't know what happens handling wise before that, but at least they
have their act together at the counter.
Jaycar of course still dish'em out on the ridiculous al-foil covered
styrofoam and pop them into regular plasic bags.

Also got a small drill from Jaycar. They didn't have it on the shelf
but had it hidden out the back because they have to warn customers
before they sell it that "it runs a little fast". Not surprising
considering it has a 12V plugpack to charge the 4 x AA batteries! -
kept us laughing all the way back to the lab.

Think I'll be doing more shopping at the Altronics store from now
on...

Dave

Ahh, the Jaycar angels will be watching. I used to hate the service
Electus offered, but they seem to have got there shit together now.
You should give them a go.

Alternatively, give polykom a try too. I am yet to use polykom, but i
am about to get my hands dirty in the hardware game again and have
full intentions to try them out.

 

[thegoons]

Electus are the trading name of Jaycar Wholesale. Note that prices they
quote do not include GST. And they charge some handling fee if orders are
less than $100.


"The Real Andy" <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
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On 13 Jul 2004 22:25:14 -0700, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

Went into the new Sydney Altronics store today. I actually got ICs on
proper conductive foam and in a proper ESD shielding bag. I was
gobsmacked.
Don't know what happens handling wise before that, but at least they
have their act together at the counter.
Jaycar of course still dish'em out on the ridiculous al-foil covered
styrofoam and pop them into regular plasic bags.

Also got a small drill from Jaycar. They didn't have it on the shelf
but had it hidden out the back because they have to warn customers
before they sell it that "it runs a little fast". Not surprising
considering it has a 12V plugpack to charge the 4 x AA batteries! -
kept us laughing all the way back to the lab.

Think I'll be doing more shopping at the Altronics store from now
on...

Dave

Ahh, the Jaycar angels will be watching. I used to hate the service
Electus offered, but they seem to have got there shit together now.
You should give them a go.

Alternatively, give polykom a try too. I am yet to use polykom, but i
am about to get my hands dirty in the hardware game again and have
full intentions to try them out.

 

[Allan]

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:2lkjdvFe2is2U1@uni-berlin.de...

Electus are the trading name of Jaycar Wholesale. Note that prices they
quote do not include GST. And they charge some handling fee if orders are
less than $100.


Actually no that's Wrong, Electus belongs to a South Australian Company,

http://www.electus.com.au/index2.htm

and they are" delivering high quality desktop training and services to
government and business"

where as Electus Distribution, (who stole the name, and then renamed by
adding distribution)
are the Jaycar Wholesalers, and as they are
wholesalers, they quote stuff as EX Gst.

 

[Alex Gibson]

"The Real Andy" <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
wrote in message news:4hm9f0pk7gdvvf7d9336jjdan3j3mfckkm@4ax.com...

On 13 Jul 2004 22:25:14 -0700, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

Ahh, the Jaycar angels will be watching. I used to hate the service
Electus offered, but they seem to have got there shit together now.
You should give them a go.

Alternatively, give polykom a try too. I am yet to use polykom, but i
am about to get my hands dirty in the hardware game again and have
full intentions to try them out.

Only hassle with polykom is the moq can change quite a bit for small orders.

Found Adilam to give great service.

They recently started carrying the Philips arm7 lpc2000 range.

Alex

ps. Andy come across that data sheet yet ?

 

[Don McKenzie]

Allan wrote:

where as Electus Distribution, (who stole the name, and then renamed by
adding distribution)
are the Jaycar Wholesalers, and as they are
wholesalers, they quote stuff as EX Gst.

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

A.T.O. and A.C.C.C. were very quick to point this out to me when GST was
first introduced and I had it missing. Had to re-write my web pages to
suit.

Don...



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[John_H]

Don McKenzie wrote:

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

A.T.O. and A.C.C.C. were very quick to point this out to me when GST was
first introduced and I had it missing. Had to re-write my web pages to
suit.

If only they'd bother to police it.

I get quoted prices ex GST without mention on a daily basis. My most
uttered expression would have to be "does that include GST" -- more
often than not it doesn't.

You musta been singled out for special treatment. ;-)

--
John H

 

[Don McKenzie]

John_H wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:


It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

A.T.O. and A.C.C.C. were very quick to point this out to me when GST was
first introduced and I had it missing. Had to re-write my web pages to
suit.


If only they'd bother to police it.

I get quoted prices ex GST without mention on a daily basis. My most
uttered expression would have to be "does that include GST" -- more
often than not it doesn't.

You musta been singled out for special treatment. ;-)

I had a small team of ATO GST experts on my premises in Feb 2000, just
before GST was introduced. I invited them in so we could clear up a few
things, as they were unable to answer my questions on the phone.

They didn't understand what it was I was doing, as the Internet was very
much an unknown to them in early 2000.

I asked GST commitment questions like:
Hardware is sent from my overseas supplier to a customer in Australia.
Web downloaded Software is transmitted from my overseas supplier to a
customer in Australia. And many variants of the above two questions.

They got back to me in writing a few days before the 30th June 2000,
after thrashing it all out back at the office. Numerous phone calls from
me pushed them into decisions.

It was very clear that GST inclusive prices MUST be advertised. This is
for Bricks and Mortar shops, or a web site.

Any Company that doesn't, is breaking the law.

Don...



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[David L. Jones]

The Real Andy <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote in message news:<4hm9f0pk7gdvvf7d9336jjdan3j3mfckkm@4ax.com>...

On 13 Jul 2004 22:25:14 -0700, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

Went into the new Sydney Altronics store today. I actually got ICs on
proper conductive foam and in a proper ESD shielding bag. I was
gobsmacked.
Don't know what happens handling wise before that, but at least they
have their act together at the counter.
Jaycar of course still dish'em out on the ridiculous al-foil covered
styrofoam and pop them into regular plasic bags.

Also got a small drill from Jaycar. They didn't have it on the shelf
but had it hidden out the back because they have to warn customers
before they sell it that "it runs a little fast". Not surprising
considering it has a 12V plugpack to charge the 4 x AA batteries! -
kept us laughing all the way back to the lab.

Think I'll be doing more shopping at the Altronics store from now
on...

Dave

Ahh, the Jaycar angels will be watching. I used to hate the service
Electus offered, but they seem to have got there shit together now.
You should give them a go.

Alternatively, give polykom a try too. I am yet to use polykom, but i
am about to get my hands dirty in the hardware game again and have
full intentions to try them out.

We use Farnell (and RS) for most stuff, and Electus occasionally when
when we a tight project budget and want stuff really cheap. Electus
still dont handle ESD properly though. I ordered a bulk lot of ICs
once and got them in the orginal anti-stat tube, which is a good start
but still not good enough if you have to take static control
seriously.
If we are desperate and have to do small petty cash runs, then Jaycar
and Altronics get the business. The $100 minimum with Electus is a bit
of a pain.

You simply can't beat Farnell/RS for known quality components, static
control, and service (we get a lot of stuff the same day).

The others like Polycom and Wes we don't deal with simply because we
don't have accounts with them, and Farnell/RS are goinng to leave them
for dead anyway. After all, it ain't my money I'm spending ;-)

Dave

 

[Michael Culley]

"Don McKenzie" <look@my.sig.com> wrote in message news:40f5c61c$0$18671$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

It was very clear that GST inclusive prices MUST be advertised. This is
for Bricks and Mortar shops, or a web site.

Any Company that doesn't, is breaking the law.

Most i've seen have "ex gst" somewhere written in small text. It makes sense if you're a business buying from a wholesaler you don't
really pay GST.

--
Michael Culley

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +1000, Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

I thought so, too. I wonder how Farnell get away with it.


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Patrick Dunford]

In article <26ibf0l13o43h78j0rdiplo9sd1vffsoq0@4ax.com>,
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au says...

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +1000, Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

I thought so, too. I wonder how Farnell get away with it.

Probably because it isn't, but you must state that the price is GST
exclusive.

 

[Dacium]

Think I'll be doing more shopping at the Altronics store from now
on...

Shopping at the store is ok, but not by mail order....

Order something over night delivery,
5 days later I ring them up "We never got that order."
Then the order arrives later that day... idiots.

I won't mention the kits I have brought with mistakes on the PCBs...

But yeah at the shop is good.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +1000, Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com>
wrote:

Allan wrote:


where as Electus Distribution, (who stole the name, and then renamed by
adding distribution)
are the Jaycar Wholesalers, and as they are
wholesalers, they quote stuff as EX Gst.

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

A.T.O. and A.C.C.C. were very quick to point this out to me when GST was
first introduced and I had it missing. Had to re-write my web pages to
suit.

Don...

That may be the case, but I know of not one wholesaler that quotes
prices with gst.

 

[The Real Andy]

On 14 Jul 2004 20:05:31 -0700, tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones)
wrote:

<snip>

We use Farnell (and RS) for most stuff, and Electus occasionally when
when we a tight project budget and want stuff really cheap. Electus
still dont handle ESD properly though. I ordered a bulk lot of ICs
once and got them in the orginal anti-stat tube, which is a good start
but still not good enough if you have to take static control
seriously.
If we are desperate and have to do small petty cash runs, then Jaycar
and Altronics get the business. The $100 minimum with Electus is a bit
of a pain.

You simply can't beat Farnell/RS for known quality components, static
control, and service (we get a lot of stuff the same day).

The others like Polycom and Wes we don't deal with simply because we
don't have accounts with them, and Farnell/RS are goinng to leave them
for dead anyway. After all, it ain't my money I'm spending ;-)

Dave

I am unlucky in the fact that I have come from an organisation where
we never deal with the RS/Farnell/Electus companies. 9 times out 10 we
would just contact out taiwan manufacturers for sample parts - a
shitload for free. What they didn't have meant a redesign. I forgot
how lucky I was.

Now with a small company just breaking into design, not even the
avnets etc. will deal with you. Fortunately the Bris Soanar rep is
quite friendly with my predicement and helps me out with loan dev
tools and stuff. Have to buy through polykom though cause of
insufficient quantity. Polykom have an ok linecard, but doesn't have
enough to keep me happy.

Future used to be ok for small quantity stuff. They used to happily
supply 1-2 tubes of stuff for MOQ. Haven't had a chance to use them
yet, but I'm not far off it.

One person doing MS software dev + hardware dev is hard enough. Trying
to find agents who will deal with a small company with no dev history
is even harder.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:56:33 +1200, Patrick Dunford
<patrickdunford@nomail.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

In article <26ibf0l13o43h78j0rdiplo9sd1vffsoq0@4ax.com>,
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au says...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +1000, Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

I thought so, too. I wonder how Farnell get away with it.

Probably because it isn't, but you must state that the price is GST
exclusive.

I contacted Farnell about their ex-GST pricing policy and was told the
following:

"Please note that we are a business to business distributor and
therefore are allowed under GST legislation to display ex-GST prices
on our catalogues."

So who's right?


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Patrick Dunford]

In article <vremf0ttnqcoh82pt927q3dmm2n7sar85j@4ax.com>,
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au says...

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:56:33 +1200, Patrick Dunford
patrickdunford@nomail.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

In article <26ibf0l13o43h78j0rdiplo9sd1vffsoq0@4ax.com>,
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au says...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +1000, Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST, wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

I thought so, too. I wonder how Farnell get away with it.

Probably because it isn't, but you must state that the price is GST
exclusive.

I contacted Farnell about their ex-GST pricing policy and was told the
following:

"Please note that we are a business to business distributor and
therefore are allowed under GST legislation to display ex-GST prices
on our catalogues."

So who's right?

I don't know the Australian law. However I believe your GST is based on
our GST which was introduced 1986/87. In the NZ system it is quite legal
to publish prices which are GST exclusive. However I believe that there
is a requirement that the statement "GST exclusive" must be clearly made
in such an instance.

GST exclusive pricing is mostly seen in trade publications, most retail
pricing is inclusive.

 

[thegoons]

"Patrick Dunford" <patrickdunford@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b665d84e934c75e989e14@news.paradise.net.nz...

In article <vremf0ttnqcoh82pt927q3dmm2n7sar85j@4ax.com>,
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au says...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:56:33 +1200, Patrick Dunford
patrickdunford@nomail.invalid> put finger to keyboard and composed:

In article <26ibf0l13o43h78j0rdiplo9sd1vffsoq0@4ax.com>,
fzabkar@optussnet.com.au says...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:05:32 +1000, Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com
put
finger to keyboard and composed:

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without GST,
wholesale/retail
doesn't matter.

I thought so, too. I wonder how Farnell get away with it.

Probably because it isn't, but you must state that the price is GST
exclusive.

I contacted Farnell about their ex-GST pricing policy and was told the
following:

"Please note that we are a business to business distributor and
therefore are allowed under GST legislation to display ex-GST prices
on our catalogues."

So who's right?

I don't know the Australian law. However I believe your GST is based on
our GST which was introduced 1986/87. In the NZ system it is quite legal
to publish prices which are GST exclusive. However I believe that there
is a requirement that the statement "GST exclusive" must be clearly made
in such an instance.

GST exclusive pricing is mostly seen in trade publications, most retail
pricing is inclusive.

 

[Rod Speed]

Patrick Dunford <patrickdunford@nomail.invalid> wrote

Frank Zabkar fzabkar@optussnet.com.au wrote
Patrick Dunford <patrickdunford@nomail.invalid> wrote
Frank Zabkar fzabkar@optussnet.com.au wrote
Don McKenzie <look@my.sig.com> wrote

It is illegal to quote prices in Australia without
GST, wholesale/retail doesn't matter.

Thats not right, particularly with operations that sell to retailers.

I thought so, too. I wonder how Farnell get away with it.

Probably because it isn't, but you must
state that the price is GST exclusive.

That last isnt right either.

I contacted Farnell about their ex-GST
pricing policy and was told the following:

"Please note that we are a business to business
distributor and therefore are allowed under GST
legislation to display ex-GST prices on our catalogues."

So who's right?

Farnell.

I don't know the Australian law. However I believe your
GST is based on our GST which was introduced 1986/87.

Nope. We have our own detail. Quite a few differences in detail too.

In the NZ system it is quite legal to publish prices which are GST exclusive.

It isnt here with goods sold at retail. That is explicitly illegal here.

However I believe that there is a requirement that the statement
"GST exclusive" must be clearly made in such an instance.

That wont save your bacon here.

Not normally prosecuted here tho, you just get warned that
its illegal to quote the price GST free with retail prices.

GST exclusive pricing is mostly seen in trade
publications, most retail pricing is inclusive.