airbags

[Andrey]

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima. Or how
can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.
Thank you.

 

[michael turner]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:13:51 -0800, Andrey wrote:

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima.

Leave it to someone who know what they're doing, has the right training,
qualifications, test equipment, etc, etc.

Or how
can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.

The car must be a bit smashed up after the airbags got deployed. Again
leave airbag deployment electronics to someone who knows what they're
doing.

As these are a *safety* item, and if they're not setup correctly they may
not deploy when needed, or could deploy when not needed, with the obvious
legal implications.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

 

[Sofie]

Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
---------------



"michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
newsan.2004.02.17.00.27.56.341000@ivetva.arg...

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:13:51 -0800, Andrey wrote:

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima.

Leave it to someone who know what they're doing, has the right training,
qualifications, test equipment, etc, etc.

Or how
can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.

The car must be a bit smashed up after the airbags got deployed. Again
leave airbag deployment electronics to someone who knows what they're
doing.

As these are a *safety* item, and if they're not setup correctly they may
not deploy when needed, or could deploy when not needed, with the obvious
legal implications.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

 

[James Sweet]

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1032t0gt9m27l1b@corp.supernews.com...

Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to
stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a
horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--

The deploying when not supposed to concerns me far more, I've heard a few
stories of water getting into airbag controllers and the driver ending up
with a broken nose when they turn the key. I've never owned a car with an
airbag but if I did I can be fairly certain I would disconnect it, I know
I'll get flamed for saying that but the airbags in north america are
excessively powerful and IMO not nessesary in a well designed car with
properly buckled occupants.

 

[michael turner]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:50:25 -0800, Sofie wrote:

Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.

Yup I totally agree with you Daniel.

For the benefit of anyone who's never seen an airbag being deployed. This
page contains a video clip of one.
http://www.mobilityconversions.com/airbag_going_off.htm
BANG!

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

 

[Tymanthius]

<soapbox>

Not to mention that at least in America, it's 'Not My Fault' and 'Who Can I
Sue?'

</soapbox>

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1032t0gt9m27l1b@corp.supernews.com...

Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to
stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a
horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
---------------



"michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
newsan.2004.02.17.00.27.56.341000@ivetva.arg...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:13:51 -0800, Andrey wrote:

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima.

Leave it to someone who know what they're doing, has the right training,
qualifications, test equipment, etc, etc.

Or how
can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.

The car must be a bit smashed up after the airbags got deployed. Again
leave airbag deployment electronics to someone who knows what they're
doing.

As these are a *safety* item, and if they're not setup correctly they
may
not deploy when needed, or could deploy when not needed, with the
obvious
legal implications.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

 

[LASERandDVDfan]

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima.

Leave it to someone who know what they're doing, has the right training,
qualifications, test equipment, etc, etc.

... and is legally licensed to service SRS systems. - Reinhart

 

[LASERandDVDfan]

BANG!

Pretty much.

The only way an airbag can deploy out of its container within the short time
span in order to be effective as a supplemental restraint is by literally
exploding out of it.

The notion of someone getting their arm broken by the airbag when it deploys
while they were executing a manuver with the hand under the wheel is not just
merely possible, it has happened before! - Reinhart

 

[gothika]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:25:40 -0600, "Tymanthius" <tymanthius@usa.net>
wrote:

soapbox

Not to mention that at least in America, it's 'Not My Fault' and 'Who Can I
Sue?'
Please! I get sick to death of hearing this crap about America being a

libelous society.
If corporations weren't so bottom line thinking we wouldn't HAVE so
MANY consumer products that were deathtraps waiting to go off.
You must be a Republican to so readily blame the victim.

/soapbox

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1032t0gt9m27l1b@corp.supernews.com...
Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to
stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a
horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--
Best Regards,
Daniel Sofie
Electronics Supply & Repair
---------------



"michael turner" <zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg> wrote in message
newsan.2004.02.17.00.27.56.341000@ivetva.arg...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:13:51 -0800, Andrey wrote:

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima.

Leave it to someone who know what they're doing, has the right training,
qualifications, test equipment, etc, etc.

Or how
can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.

The car must be a bit smashed up after the airbags got deployed. Again
leave airbag deployment electronics to someone who knows what they're
doing.

As these are a *safety* item, and if they're not setup correctly they
may
not deploy when needed, or could deploy when not needed, with the
obvious
legal implications.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
zvxr.gheare1963@ivetva.arg

 

[gothika]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:06:23 GMT, "James Sweet"
<jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1032t0gt9m27l1b@corp.supernews.com...
Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to
stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a
horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--


The deploying when not supposed to concerns me far more, I've heard a few
stories of water getting into airbag controllers and the driver ending up
with a broken nose when they turn the key. I've never owned a car with an
airbag but if I did I can be fairly certain I would disconnect it, I know
I'll get flamed for saying that but the airbags in north america are
excessively powerful and IMO not nessesary in a well designed car with
properly buckled occupants.

Good point.

In my opinion more emphasis needs to be put on safe driving pracctices
and avoiding accidents in the first place.

 

[Tymanthius]

"gothika" <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
news:il0330lf4aerhb9hnea7fg1lf42dh8knml@4ax.com...

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:25:40 -0600, "Tymanthius" <tymanthius@usa.net
wrote:
soapbox

Not to mention that at least in America, it's 'Not My Fault' and 'Who Can
I
Sue?'
Please! I get sick to death of hearing this crap about America being a
libelous society.
If corporations weren't so bottom line thinking we wouldn't HAVE so
MANY consumer products that were deathtraps waiting to go off.
You must be a Republican to so readily blame the victim.

<snip>

That's a silly assumption. Actually, I have very radical political views.
Can't stand the 2 party system in America, and I'm grieved that our form of
democracy is largely broken (although it's still better than many places
form of gov't).

And I don't assume it's the victims fault everytime. But many many of the
lawsuits are frivolous(sp?) as they are the result some idiot doing more
than s/he should or could.

Anyway, this isn't the place for such discussions, and I should have
refrained from phrasing it the way I did, although it is a valid warning.

Feel free to take them private if you believe you can keep up.

tymanthius-at-usa-dot-net

 

[James Sweet]

"Tymanthius" <tymanthius@usa.net> wrote in message
news:XDfYb.14365$kR3.10183@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

"gothika" <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
news:il0330lf4aerhb9hnea7fg1lf42dh8knml@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:25:40 -0600, "Tymanthius" <tymanthius@usa.net
wrote:
soapbox

Not to mention that at least in America, it's 'Not My Fault' and 'Who
Can
I
Sue?'
Please! I get sick to death of hearing this crap about America being a
libelous society.
If corporations weren't so bottom line thinking we wouldn't HAVE so
MANY consumer products that were deathtraps waiting to go off.
You must be a Republican to so readily blame the victim.

snip

That's a silly assumption. Actually, I have very radical political views.
Can't stand the 2 party system in America, and I'm grieved that our form
of
democracy is largely broken (although it's still better than many places
form of gov't).

And I don't assume it's the victims fault everytime. But many many of the
lawsuits are frivolous(sp?) as they are the result some idiot doing more
than s/he should or could.

Anyway, this isn't the place for such discussions, and I should have
refrained from phrasing it the way I did, although it is a valid warning.

Feel free to take them private if you believe you can keep up.

tymanthius-at-usa-dot-net

I'd have to agree, the real world is dangerous, it can mame or kill, enter
at your own risk. If a product is blatantly dangerous to use as directed
then the manufacture should be at fault, if a product is capable of being
*misused* in a way that's dangerous and someone gets hurt, that's their own
damn fault.

Same with those silly cases of people trespassing and getting hurt sueing
the owner of the property, if you break into *my* house and manage to hurt
yourself, regardless of the circumstances you were not authorized to be
there and it should *not* be my fault what happens. I'm not republican
either, but this country has far too many lawyers.

 

[James Sweet]

The deploying when not supposed to concerns me far more, I've heard a
few
stories of water getting into airbag controllers and the driver ending
up
with a broken nose when they turn the key. I've never owned a car with
an
airbag but if I did I can be fairly certain I would disconnect it, I
know
I'll get flamed for saying that but the airbags in north america are
excessively powerful and IMO not nessesary in a well designed car with
properly buckled occupants.

Good point.
In my opinion more emphasis needs to be put on safe driving pracctices
and avoiding accidents in the first place.

Even if you are the best driver ever, you never know what driving
precautions the driver next to you is taking. So even if you drive safely,
someone else might hit you. Happens to all of us. I agree though, if
you're
buckled up, the airbag is worthles (might even kill you in a serious
collision). Sometimes more, is less.

And IMO it's a no brainer to buckle up, as you say, accidents happen,
sometimes someone else does something stupid and there's no way to avoid it,
I always put my seatbelt on out of habbit when I get into a car, but then I
don't really care if other people do it, if they'd like to risk dying that's
their decision, just so long as it's not in my car.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

James Sweet wrote:

[snip]

And IMO it's a no brainer to buckle up, as you say, accidents happen,
sometimes someone else does something stupid and there's no way to avoid it,
I always put my seatbelt on out of habbit when I get into a car, but then I
don't really care if other people do it, if they'd like to risk dying that's
their decision, just so long as it's not in my car.

And anyway, an airbag won't do you a bit of good in a rollover or
similar accident with multiple impacts. With a seatbelt, at least your
body doesn't go bouncing around the inside of the vehicle as it rolls.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailtoaul@Hovnanian.com
note to spammers: a Washington State resident
------------------------------------------------------------------
Broken pipe. Command flooded basement.

 

[electricked]

"gothika" <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
news:us033017f98c5o847q5du2t4m9861khu76@4ax.com...

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:06:23 GMT, "James Sweet"
jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1032t0gt9m27l1b@corp.supernews.com...
Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to
factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to
stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an
awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described.....
not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed
or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to
and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a
horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--


The deploying when not supposed to concerns me far more, I've heard a few
stories of water getting into airbag controllers and the driver ending up
with a broken nose when they turn the key. I've never owned a car with an
airbag but if I did I can be fairly certain I would disconnect it, I know
I'll get flamed for saying that but the airbags in north america are
excessively powerful and IMO not nessesary in a well designed car with
properly buckled occupants.

Good point.
In my opinion more emphasis needs to be put on safe driving pracctices
and avoiding accidents in the first place.

Even if you are the best driver ever, you never know what driving
precautions the driver next to you is taking. So even if you drive safely,
someone else might hit you. Happens to all of us. I agree though, if you're
buckled up, the airbag is worthles (might even kill you in a serious
collision). Sometimes more, is less.

--Viktor

 

[Mark (UK)]

Yes, but don't the latest cars have thousands of airbags all over the
place? Ones in the roof, in the seats, in the centre console, in the
glove compartment, even ones for the drinks holder to stop your coke
getting splat!

Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

James Sweet wrote:

[snip]


And IMO it's a no brainer to buckle up, as you say, accidents happen,
sometimes someone else does something stupid and there's no way to avoid it,
I always put my seatbelt on out of habbit when I get into a car, but then I
don't really care if other people do it, if they'd like to risk dying that's
their decision, just so long as it's not in my car.


And anyway, an airbag won't do you a bit of good in a rollover or
similar accident with multiple impacts. With a seatbelt, at least your
body doesn't go bouncing around the inside of the vehicle as it rolls.

 

[FoxyRick]

On 16 Feb 2004 16:13:51 -0800, andreysh@adelphia.net (Andrey) wrote:

I am looking for schematic or service manual with schematic for airbag
control module for 2000 and up Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima. Or how
can I fix the control module after airbags were deployed.
Thank you.

Not so much an electronics issue, more an energetic materials one. You
do realise that air bags are deployed by a small charge of
*explosive*? The control unit is probably fine, since it is just a
g-force trigger to fire the explosives. Get some semtex, or just take
it to the repair shop and try not to hit lamp posts too hard next
time.

 

[Leonard Caillouet]

"electricked" <no_emails_please> wrote in message
news:LtidnbNCk5THO6zdRVn-gQ@comcast.com...

if you're
buckled up, the airbag is worthles (might even kill you in a serious
collision). Sometimes more, is less.

--Viktor

Actually, if you are NOT buckled up the air bag is less effective and more
likely to cause injury.

So are you saying we shouldn't have airbags in cars? Do you believe that we
shouldn't immunize children? That motorcycle helmets cause more injuries
than they prevent? That GFCI receptacles cause cancer? There is such a
thing as research you know.

Leonard Caillouet

 

[sparky]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:00:33 -0600, gothika <Vampyres@nettaxi.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:06:23 GMT, "James Sweet"
jamessweet@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Sofie" <sofie@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1032t0gt9m27l1b@corp.supernews.com...
Michael Turner:
You are EXACTLY correct...... a huge liability and safety issue.
My brother works for a GM dealer in town here and he had to go to factory
training initially for 2 weeks and then refresher courses every year to
stay
certified..... as a certified airbag systems technician he has an awesome
responsibility... just imagine the scenarios that you described..... not
deploying when they are suppose to and someone ends up getting killed or
critically injured...... and deploying when they are NOT suppose to and
causing the driver to lose control of the automobile and causing a
horrific
accident where there is loss of life, injuries, properly loss, etc.
--


The deploying when not supposed to concerns me far more, I've heard a few
stories of water getting into airbag controllers and the driver ending up
with a broken nose when they turn the key. I've never owned a car with an
airbag but if I did I can be fairly certain I would disconnect it, I know
I'll get flamed for saying that but the airbags in north america are
excessively powerful and IMO not nessesary in a well designed car with
properly buckled occupants.

Good point.
In my opinion more emphasis needs to be put on safe driving pracctices
and avoiding accidents in the first place.

In North America they have advertised ABS brakes and air bags so much
that most uneducated drivers believe thay are immortal when they get
behind the wheel of a vehicle with them. This causes their poor
driving skills to become even worse.

 

[Nick Hull]

In article <gp44301urlvv8kvimkc4n53ossu8hp9ehf@4ax.com>,
sparky <sparky@hell.com> wrote:

Good point.
In my opinion more emphasis needs to be put on safe driving pracctices
and avoiding accidents in the first place.


In North America they have advertised ABS brakes and air bags so much
that most uneducated drivers believe thay are immortal when they get
behind the wheel of a vehicle with them. This causes their poor
driving skills to become even worse.

I thought ABS would help so I got it (extra cost option) on the Saturn I
bought for my wife. It is worse than useless, on gravel it releases the
brakes unexpectedly when the vehicle was in perfect control. Often in a
sloped gravel parking lot the car will suddenly lunge at the next car
when the brakes release.

--
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