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A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

After a catastrophic 38-train car derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 3, some officials are raising concerns about a type of toxic substance that tends to stay in the environment.

Earlier this month, Sherrod Brown and J.D. Vance, U.S. senators from Ohio, sent a letter to the state\'s environmental protection agency, expressing concern that dioxins may have been released when some of the chemicals in the damaged railcars were deliberately burned for safety reasons.

They joined residents of the small Midwestern town and environmentalists from around the U.S. calling for state and federal environmental agencies to test the soil around the site where the tanker cars tipped over.

Dioxins refer to a group of toxic chemical compounds that can stay in the environment for long periods of time, according to the World Health Organization. They are created through combustion and attach to dust particles, which is how they begin to circulate in an ecosystem.

Linda Birnbaum, a leading dioxins researcher, toxicologist and former director of the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, said that burning vinyl chloride does create dioxins.

Residents near the burn could have been exposed to dioxins in the air that landed on their skin or were breathed into their lungs, said Frederick Guengerich, a toxicologist at Vanderbilt University.

Skin exposure to high concentrations can cause what\'s known as chloracne – an intense skin inflammation, Guengerich said.

There is already some level of dioxins in the environment – they can be created by certain industrial processes, or even by people burning trash in their backyards, said Murray McBride, a Cornell University soil and crop scientist.

Once they are released, dioxins can stick around in soil for decades. They can contaminate plants, including crops. They accumulate up the food chain in oils and other fats.

In East Palestine, it\'s possible that soot particles from the plume carried dioxins onto nearby farms, where they could stick to the soil, McBride said.

\"If you have grazing animals out there in the field, they will pick up some of the dioxins from soil particles,\" he said. \"And so, some of that gets into their bodies, and then that accumulates in fat tissue.\"

Eventually, those dioxins could make their way up the food chain to human consumers. Bioaccumulation means that a larger amount of dioxins can get into humans than what\'s found in the environment after the crash.

Ohio residents diagnosed with bronchitis

More residents living near the train derailment site in East Palestine have been diagnosed with bronchitis, raising concerns over the threats posed by hazardous chemicals from the accident, NBC reported on February 25.

According to the report, a medic working for a hospital, one of the closest ones to East Palestine, told NBC that \"exposure to potentially hazardous chemicals\" is among possible reasons leading to ailments including bronchitis.

Apart from respiratory issues, some residents have also complained about headache, nausea and rashes.

Environmental officials suggested that nearly 44,000 animals died following the crash, with people living nearby experiencing symptoms associated with chemical exposure.

Yet the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and local authorities claimed the air and drinking water quality accord with relevant safety standards.

On February 16, EPA Administrator Michael Regan told the residents that the water is fit for drinking and the air safe to breathe around East Palestine, where just under 5,000 people live near the Pennsylvania state line.

\"I\'m asking they trust the government. I know that\'s hard. We know there\'s a lack of trust,\" Regan said. \"We\'re testing for everything that was on that train.\"

Residents are frustrated by what they say is incomplete and vague information about the lasting effects from the disaster.

\"I have three grandbabies,\" said Kathy Dyke, who came with hundreds of her neighbors to a public meeting on February 15. \"Are they going to grow up here in five years and have cancer?\"

Experts agreed that residents have reason for concern about dioxins from this accident.

Even though they are present in small amounts from other sources, the large amount of vinyl chloride burned off from the train cars could create more than usual, McBride said. \"That\'s my concern, that there could be an unusual concentration.\"

(With input from agencies)
 
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A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

After a catastrophic 38-train car derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 3, some officials are raising concerns about a type of toxic substance that tends to stay in the environment.

Earlier this month, Sherrod Brown and J.D. Vance, U.S. senators from Ohio, sent a letter to the state\'s environmental protection agency, expressing concern that dioxins may have been released when some of the chemicals in the damaged railcars were deliberately burned for safety reasons.

They joined residents of the small Midwestern town and environmentalists from around the U.S. calling for state and federal environmental agencies to test the soil around the site where the tanker cars tipped over.

Dioxins refer to a group of toxic chemical compounds that can stay in the environment for long periods of time, according to the World Health Organization. They are created through combustion and attach to dust particles, which is how they begin to circulate in an ecosystem.

Linda Birnbaum, a leading dioxins researcher, toxicologist and former director of the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, said that burning vinyl chloride does create dioxins.

Residents near the burn could have been exposed to dioxins in the air that landed on their skin or were breathed into their lungs, said Frederick Guengerich, a toxicologist at Vanderbilt University.

Skin exposure to high concentrations can cause what\'s known as chloracne – an intense skin inflammation, Guengerich said.

There is already some level of dioxins in the environment – they can be created by certain industrial processes, or even by people burning trash in their backyards, said Murray McBride, a Cornell University soil and crop scientist.

Once they are released, dioxins can stick around in soil for decades. They can contaminate plants, including crops. They accumulate up the food chain in oils and other fats.

In East Palestine, it\'s possible that soot particles from the plume carried dioxins onto nearby farms, where they could stick to the soil, McBride said.

\"If you have grazing animals out there in the field, they will pick up some of the dioxins from soil particles,\" he said. \"And so, some of that gets into their bodies, and then that accumulates in fat tissue.\"

Eventually, those dioxins could make their way up the food chain to human consumers. Bioaccumulation means that a larger amount of dioxins can get into humans than what\'s found in the environment after the crash.

Ohio residents diagnosed with bronchitis

More residents living near the train derailment site in East Palestine have been diagnosed with bronchitis, raising concerns over the threats posed by hazardous chemicals from the accident, NBC reported on February 25.

According to the report, a medic working for a hospital, one of the closest ones to East Palestine, told NBC that \"exposure to potentially hazardous chemicals\" is among possible reasons leading to ailments including bronchitis.

Apart from respiratory issues, some residents have also complained about headache, nausea and rashes.

Environmental officials suggested that nearly 44,000 animals died following the crash, with people living nearby experiencing symptoms associated with chemical exposure.

Yet the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and local authorities claimed the air and drinking water quality accord with relevant safety standards..

On February 16, EPA Administrator Michael Regan told the residents that the water is fit for drinking and the air safe to breathe around East Palestine, where just under 5,000 people live near the Pennsylvania state line.

\"I\'m asking they trust the government. I know that\'s hard. We know there\'s a lack of trust,\" Regan said. \"We\'re testing for everything that was on that train.\"

Residents are frustrated by what they say is incomplete and vague information about the lasting effects from the disaster.

\"I have three grandbabies,\" said Kathy Dyke, who came with hundreds of her neighbors to a public meeting on February 15. \"Are they going to grow up here in five years and have cancer?\"

Experts agreed that residents have reason for concern about dioxins from this accident.

Even though they are present in small amounts from other sources, the large amount of vinyl chloride burned off from the train cars could create more than usual, McBride said. \"That\'s my concern, that there could be an unusual concentration.\"

(With input from agencies)

\"Environmental chemists, community advocates, and local residents say they are concerned about the thoroughness of tests performed by federal and state authorities to determine the safety of air and water in East Palestine, Ohio, where a freight train carrying vinyl chloride and several other chemicals derailed and burned earlier this month.\"

Peter DeCarlo, an associate professor in the department of environmental health and engineering at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering, says it is apparent from details released by the EPA that testing before the lifting of the evacuation order in East Palestine was done with handheld monitors that provide real-time measurements of volatile organic compounds as a class. Such monitors can provide false negative readings, says DeCarlo, who studies air pollution.

“Part of the problem is that the monitors are not sensitive enough to measure the low concentrations needed for understanding health impact,” he says. “And they are not measuring for specific chemicals. DeCarlo says aerial testing undertaken by the EPA on Feb. 7, the day after a controlled release and burn of vinyl chloride in five railcars, provided more useful information by mapping out downwind chemical plumes. But most of the air monitoring data he has seen is from tests performed on the ground in East Palestine, he says.

Testing at the accident site is important to determine the presence of ground water, its depth, the direction it is flowing, and its proximity to sources of drinking water, including private wells. Groundwater migrates slowly, Prasse adds. Long-term monitoring of test wells in the area would be one approach going forward.

“We’ve prepared a document recommending that anyone who is a frontline worker or lives in proximity of the burn or was exposed during this event really should be enrolled in a public health monitoring program,” he [Matthew Mehalik, executive director of Breathe Project] says. “Yes, their houses should be tested, but people themselves should be tested. We owe it to our first responders.”

Some have chosen to stay at a distance, at least until they have proper testing done on their homes. “If it were me, I would want to have the proper tests done,” Johns Hopkins’s DeCarlo says. “I have seen that EPA is screening houses. But from what I’m reading, the language being used, it sounds like they are using those handheld devices, which, again, are not chemically specific and don’t necessarily give an appropriate understanding of what risks may be there.”

https://cen.acs.org/safety/Ohio-train-derailment-raises-questions/101/web/2023/02
 
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Did dioxins spread after the Ohio train derailment?
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A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

After a catastrophic 38-train car derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 3, some officials are raising concerns about a type of toxic substance that tends to stay in the environment.

Earlier this month, Sherrod Brown and J.D. Vance, U.S. senators from Ohio, sent a letter to the state\'s environmental protection agency, expressing concern that dioxins may have been released when some of the chemicals in the damaged railcars were deliberately burned for safety reasons.

They joined residents of the small Midwestern town and environmentalists from around the U.S. calling for state and federal environmental agencies to test the soil around the site where the tanker cars tipped over.

Dioxins refer to a group of toxic chemical compounds that can stay in the environment for long periods of time, according to the World Health Organization. They are created through combustion and attach to dust particles, which is how they begin to circulate in an ecosystem.

Linda Birnbaum, a leading dioxins researcher, toxicologist and former director of the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, said that burning vinyl chloride does create dioxins.

Residents near the burn could have been exposed to dioxins in the air that landed on their skin or were breathed into their lungs, said Frederick Guengerich, a toxicologist at Vanderbilt University.

Skin exposure to high concentrations can cause what\'s known as chloracne – an intense skin inflammation, Guengerich said.

There is already some level of dioxins in the environment – they can be created by certain industrial processes, or even by people burning trash in their backyards, said Murray McBride, a Cornell University soil and crop scientist.

Once they are released, dioxins can stick around in soil for decades. They can contaminate plants, including crops. They accumulate up the food chain in oils and other fats.

In East Palestine, it\'s possible that soot particles from the plume carried dioxins onto nearby farms, where they could stick to the soil, McBride said.

\"If you have grazing animals out there in the field, they will pick up some of the dioxins from soil particles,\" he said. \"And so, some of that gets into their bodies, and then that accumulates in fat tissue.\"

Eventually, those dioxins could make their way up the food chain to human consumers. Bioaccumulation means that a larger amount of dioxins can get into humans than what\'s found in the environment after the crash.

Ohio residents diagnosed with bronchitis

More residents living near the train derailment site in East Palestine have been diagnosed with bronchitis, raising concerns over the threats posed by hazardous chemicals from the accident, NBC reported on February 25.

According to the report, a medic working for a hospital, one of the closest ones to East Palestine, told NBC that \"exposure to potentially hazardous chemicals\" is among possible reasons leading to ailments including bronchitis.

Apart from respiratory issues, some residents have also complained about headache, nausea and rashes.

Environmental officials suggested that nearly 44,000 animals died following the crash, with people living nearby experiencing symptoms associated with chemical exposure.

Yet the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and local authorities claimed the air and drinking water quality accord with relevant safety standards.

On February 16, EPA Administrator Michael Regan told the residents that the water is fit for drinking and the air safe to breathe around East Palestine, where just under 5,000 people live near the Pennsylvania state line.

\"I\'m asking they trust the government. I know that\'s hard. We know there\'s a lack of trust,\" Regan said. \"We\'re testing for everything that was on that train.\"

Residents are frustrated by what they say is incomplete and vague information about the lasting effects from the disaster.

\"I have three grandbabies,\" said Kathy Dyke, who came with hundreds of her neighbors to a public meeting on February 15. \"Are they going to grow up here in five years and have cancer?\"

Experts agreed that residents have reason for concern about dioxins from this accident.

Even though they are present in small amounts from other sources, the large amount of vinyl chloride burned off from the train cars could create more than usual, McBride said. \"That\'s my concern, that there could be an unusual concentration.\"

(With input from agencies)

\"Environmental chemists, community advocates, and local residents say they are concerned about the thoroughness of tests performed by federal and state authorities to determine the safety of air and water in East Palestine, Ohio, where a freight train carrying vinyl chloride and several other chemicals derailed and burned earlier this month.\"

Peter DeCarlo, an associate professor in the department of environmental health and engineering at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering, says it is apparent from details released by the EPA that testing before the lifting of the evacuation order in East Palestine was done with handheld monitors that provide real-time measurements of volatile organic compounds as a class. Such monitors can provide false negative readings, says DeCarlo, who studies air pollution.

“Part of the problem is that the monitors are not sensitive enough to measure the low concentrations needed for understanding health impact,” he says. “And they are not measuring for specific chemicals. DeCarlo says aerial testing undertaken by the EPA on Feb. 7, the day after a controlled release and burn of vinyl chloride in five railcars, provided more useful information by mapping out downwind chemical plumes. But most of the air monitoring data he has seen is from tests performed on the ground in East Palestine, he says.

Testing at the accident site is important to determine the presence of ground water, its depth, the direction it is flowing, and its proximity to sources of drinking water, including private wells. Groundwater migrates slowly, Prasse adds. Long-term monitoring of test wells in the area would be one approach going forward.

“We’ve prepared a document recommending that anyone who is a frontline worker or lives in proximity of the burn or was exposed during this event really should be enrolled in a public health monitoring program,” he [Matthew Mehalik, executive director of Breathe Project] says. “Yes, their houses should be tested, but people themselves should be tested. We owe it to our first responders.”

Some have chosen to stay at a distance, at least until they have proper testing done on their homes. “If it were me, I would want to have the proper tests done,” Johns Hopkins’s DeCarlo says. “I have seen that EPA is screening houses. But from what I’m reading, the language being used, it sounds like they are using those handheld devices, which, again, are not chemically specific and don’t necessarily give an appropriate understanding of what risks may be there.”

https://cen.acs.org/safety/Ohio-train-derailment-raises-questions/101/web/2023/02

\"Proper testing\" will never be done, the EPA and NS outsource testing to
a bunch of preferred environmental service contractors, who get
preferred status by regularly turning up jack shit.

<https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-train-disaster-water-sampling_n_63ef034be4b022eb3e35e585>

It\'s all crooked as hell. NS is handling the situation as expected, as a
public relations/perception management problem rather than an
environmental/hazardous material remediation problem.
 
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 2:01:21 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/27/2023 1:00 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:56:20 PM UTC-5, a a wrote:
Did dioxins spread after the Ohio train derailment?
CGTN

Share
A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

A plume rises from a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, February 4, 2023. /CFP

After a catastrophic 38-train car derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, on February 3, some officials are raising concerns about a type of toxic substance that tends to stay in the environment.

Earlier this month, Sherrod Brown and J.D. Vance, U.S. senators from Ohio, sent a letter to the state\'s environmental protection agency, expressing concern that dioxins may have been released when some of the chemicals in the damaged railcars were deliberately burned for safety reasons.

They joined residents of the small Midwestern town and environmentalists from around the U.S. calling for state and federal environmental agencies to test the soil around the site where the tanker cars tipped over.

Dioxins refer to a group of toxic chemical compounds that can stay in the environment for long periods of time, according to the World Health Organization. They are created through combustion and attach to dust particles, which is how they begin to circulate in an ecosystem.

Linda Birnbaum, a leading dioxins researcher, toxicologist and former director of the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, said that burning vinyl chloride does create dioxins.

Residents near the burn could have been exposed to dioxins in the air that landed on their skin or were breathed into their lungs, said Frederick Guengerich, a toxicologist at Vanderbilt University.

Skin exposure to high concentrations can cause what\'s known as chloracne – an intense skin inflammation, Guengerich said.

There is already some level of dioxins in the environment – they can be created by certain industrial processes, or even by people burning trash in their backyards, said Murray McBride, a Cornell University soil and crop scientist.

Once they are released, dioxins can stick around in soil for decades. They can contaminate plants, including crops. They accumulate up the food chain in oils and other fats.

In East Palestine, it\'s possible that soot particles from the plume carried dioxins onto nearby farms, where they could stick to the soil, McBride said.

\"If you have grazing animals out there in the field, they will pick up some of the dioxins from soil particles,\" he said. \"And so, some of that gets into their bodies, and then that accumulates in fat tissue.\"

Eventually, those dioxins could make their way up the food chain to human consumers. Bioaccumulation means that a larger amount of dioxins can get into humans than what\'s found in the environment after the crash.

Ohio residents diagnosed with bronchitis

More residents living near the train derailment site in East Palestine have been diagnosed with bronchitis, raising concerns over the threats posed by hazardous chemicals from the accident, NBC reported on February 25.

According to the report, a medic working for a hospital, one of the closest ones to East Palestine, told NBC that \"exposure to potentially hazardous chemicals\" is among possible reasons leading to ailments including bronchitis.

Apart from respiratory issues, some residents have also complained about headache, nausea and rashes.

Environmental officials suggested that nearly 44,000 animals died following the crash, with people living nearby experiencing symptoms associated with chemical exposure.

Yet the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and local authorities claimed the air and drinking water quality accord with relevant safety standards.

On February 16, EPA Administrator Michael Regan told the residents that the water is fit for drinking and the air safe to breathe around East Palestine, where just under 5,000 people live near the Pennsylvania state line..

\"I\'m asking they trust the government. I know that\'s hard. We know there\'s a lack of trust,\" Regan said. \"We\'re testing for everything that was on that train.\"

Residents are frustrated by what they say is incomplete and vague information about the lasting effects from the disaster.

\"I have three grandbabies,\" said Kathy Dyke, who came with hundreds of her neighbors to a public meeting on February 15. \"Are they going to grow up here in five years and have cancer?\"

Experts agreed that residents have reason for concern about dioxins from this accident.

Even though they are present in small amounts from other sources, the large amount of vinyl chloride burned off from the train cars could create more than usual, McBride said. \"That\'s my concern, that there could be an unusual concentration.\"

(With input from agencies)

\"Environmental chemists, community advocates, and local residents say they are concerned about the thoroughness of tests performed by federal and state authorities to determine the safety of air and water in East Palestine, Ohio, where a freight train carrying vinyl chloride and several other chemicals derailed and burned earlier this month.\"

Peter DeCarlo, an associate professor in the department of environmental health and engineering at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering, says it is apparent from details released by the EPA that testing before the lifting of the evacuation order in East Palestine was done with handheld monitors that provide real-time measurements of volatile organic compounds as a class. Such monitors can provide false negative readings, says DeCarlo, who studies air pollution.

“Part of the problem is that the monitors are not sensitive enough to measure the low concentrations needed for understanding health impact,” he says. “And they are not measuring for specific chemicals. DeCarlo says aerial testing undertaken by the EPA on Feb. 7, the day after a controlled release and burn of vinyl chloride in five railcars, provided more useful information by mapping out downwind chemical plumes. But most of the air monitoring data he has seen is from tests performed on the ground in East Palestine, he says.

Testing at the accident site is important to determine the presence of ground water, its depth, the direction it is flowing, and its proximity to sources of drinking water, including private wells. Groundwater migrates slowly, Prasse adds. Long-term monitoring of test wells in the area would be one approach going forward.

“We’ve prepared a document recommending that anyone who is a frontline worker or lives in proximity of the burn or was exposed during this event really should be enrolled in a public health monitoring program,” he [Matthew Mehalik, executive director of Breathe Project] says. “Yes, their houses should be tested, but people themselves should be tested. We owe it to our first responders.”

Some have chosen to stay at a distance, at least until they have proper testing done on their homes. “If it were me, I would want to have the proper tests done,” Johns Hopkins’s DeCarlo says. “I have seen that EPA is screening houses. But from what I’m reading, the language being used, it sounds like they are using those handheld devices, which, again, are not chemically specific and don’t necessarily give an appropriate understanding of what risks may be there.”

https://cen.acs.org/safety/Ohio-train-derailment-raises-questions/101/web/2023/02
\"Proper testing\" will never be done, the EPA and NS outsource testing to
a bunch of preferred environmental service contractors, who get
preferred status by regularly turning up jack shit.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ohio-train-disaster-water-sampling_n_63ef034be4b022eb3e35e585

It\'s the same kind of scum-of-the-Earth trash they had investigating the Flint Michigan contaminated water crisis. The jackasses couldn\'t get anywhere with it, the jackasses being at state and federal level. It took a volunteer professor from Virginia Tech expert in water treatment to go up there with a handful of students to drill deep into exponentially more intelligent field work, to finally crack the case, and in relatively short order too.

It\'s all crooked as hell. NS is handling the situation as expected, as a
public relations/perception management problem rather than an
environmental/hazardous material remediation problem.
 

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