Advantages of a differential vs. a single-ended receiver?

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billcalley

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Hi All,

What are the advantages of a receiver with a differential input
versus one with a single-ended input? I know the noise immunity is
enhanced with differential, but is there also more sensitivity,
dynamic range, and/or IP3? If so, how much? Any other advantages for
having to put up with an added balun (for the receiver's single-ended
input filter)?

Thanks!

Bill
 
Joerg wrote:

billcalley wrote:

What are the advantages of a receiver with a differential input
versus one with a single-ended input? I know the noise immunity is
enhanced with differential, but is there also more sensitivity,
dynamic range, and/or IP3? If so, how much? Any other advantages for
having to put up with an added balun (for the receiver's single-ended
input filter)?

More dynamic range because the available amplitude doubles. Other than
that it's usually done for better noise immunity and less EMC issues.
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They have better immunity to crosstalk too as well as noise of course.

Graham
 
On Apr 8, 7:35 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"billcalley"



   What are the advantages of a receiver with a differential input
versus one with a single-ended input?

** What sort of  " receiver "  are you on about?

  Kindly supply a link to an example.

BTW

Please be more vague in future.

......  Phil
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Sorry Phil, but I don't supply *anything* to poor, sad, lonely trolls.

-Bill
 
On Apr 8, 6:55 pm, billcalley <billcal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi All,

    What are the advantages of a receiver with a differential input
versus one with a single-ended input?  I know the noise immunity is
enhanced with differential, but is there also more sensitivity,
dynamic range, and/or IP3?  If so, how much? Any other advantages for
having to put up with an added balun (for the receiver's single-ended
input filter)?

Thanks!

Bill
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Thanks Joerg and Eeyore -- differential circuits have always been a
bit of a mystery to me!

Best,

-Bill
 
Phil Allison wrote:


An utterly narcissistic, profoundly autistic, vile Dutch fascist PIG
!!

I sincerely hope an agonising death awaits him real soon.
Click to expand...
If Americans would have had the class of Dutch in the last 200y
(because before 1800, they were deadly too, and deadly laws they had...
etc.), then the World would have seen the longest period of freedom
ever. ;-)

YOU Vietnam, you :))))



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
On 9 apr, 07:26, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"billcalley"

Thanks Joerg and Eeyore -- differential circuits have always been a
bit of a mystery to me!

** Everything in the whole damn universe is a mystery to this " calley "
pig.
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It must be nice for Phil, knowing that he is so much cleverer than the
rest of the world.

I can't imagine how much nicer it would be for him if he could feel
himself more polite than the rest of the world in the same proportion,
mainly because my imagination isn't even up to the job of conceiving
Phil as ever being merely surly, as opposed to rabidly offensive.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Daniel Mandic wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:

An utterly narcissistic, profoundly autistic, vile Dutch fascist PIG
!!

I sincerely hope an agonising death awaits him real soon.

If Americans would have had the class of Dutch in the last 200y
(because before 1800, they were deadly too, and deadly laws they had...
etc.), then the World would have seen the longest period of freedom
ever. ;-)

YOU Vietnam, you :))))
Click to expand...
What would have happened in Indonesia though ?

Graham
 
Phil Allison wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org


** Sloman is one of the most EVIL and TWISTED persons posting on usenet.

An utterly narcissistic, profoundly autistic, vile Dutch fascist PIG !!

I sincerely hope an agonising death awaits him real soon.

Cos no-one deserves that more richly than he.

I puke on his grave.



...... Phil
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Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?

Cheers
Terry
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Terry Given"



Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?



** No he ain't.

The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "

..... Phil
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He lives there. but he's from australia. Just like you live in your
diseased imagination, but are also from australia :)

Cheers
Terry
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Terry Given"


Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?


** No he ain't.

The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "


He lives there. but he's from australia.



** So fucking what ?????????

There is not one tiny thing " Aussie " about him.

The vile, geriatric cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever
find.

...... Phil
Click to expand...
Oh, my bad, I forgot that facts are not really a part of your universe.

Cheers
Terry
 
On 9 apr, 14:42, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Terry Given"

Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?

** No he ain't.

 The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "

He lives there. but he's from australia.

**  So fucking what  ?????????

There is not one tiny thing " Aussie " about him.
Click to expand...
Apart from my passport, my Ph.D. from Melbourne University, my eight
nieces and nephews, four grand-nieces and nephews ...

The vile, geriatric cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever
find.
Click to expand...
Granting Phil's search skills. he probably couldn't find a closer
approximation if he was shaking hands with Gert Wilders (though I am
taller than Gert Wilders). Others could certainly do better.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT), billcalley
<billcalley@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All,

What are the advantages of a receiver with a differential input
versus one with a single-ended input? I know the noise immunity is
enhanced with differential, but is there also more sensitivity,
dynamic range, and/or IP3? If so, how much? Any other advantages for
having to put up with an added balun (for the receiver's single-ended
input filter)?

Thanks!

Bill
Click to expand...
In digital junk, differential has better signal fidelity. No ground
bounce issues.

---
Mark
 
On Apr 9, 1:13 pm, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
One quick question: Do you have to use a single-ended input to begin with?

You can of course eliminate the balun if you start with a balanced antenna,
which is advantageous in that true balanced antennas tend to be less sensitive
to detuning/radiation pattern changes due to "proximity with people/random
objects" effects than something like a sleeve dipole is.

---Joel
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Hi Joel,

Yes, that is a good idea, but unfortunately the input filter to the
receiver is single-ended (as will be the antenna (a chip-type)), so a
balun is needed into this darn differential receiver.

Thanks,

-Bill
 
Eeyore wrote:

What would have happened in Indonesia though ?

Graham
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Hi Graham!


Good question. I don't know, right now...

!



Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:59:23 -0700, bill.sloman wrote:

On 9 apr, 14:42, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Terry Given"

Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?

** No he ain't.

 The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "

He lives there. but he's from australia.

**  So fucking what  ?????????

There is not one tiny thing " Aussie " about him.

Apart from my passport, my Ph.D. from Melbourne University, my eight
nieces and nephews, four grand-nieces and nephews ...

The vile, geriatric cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever
find.

Granting Phil's search skills. he probably couldn't find a closer
approximation if he was shaking hands with Gert Wilders (though I am
taller than Gert Wilders). Others could certainly do better.
Click to expand...
Well, he clearly has no grasp of reality - who the hell would call
a socialist a fascist? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
On 10 apr, 20:40, Rich Grise <r...@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:59:23 -0700, bill.sloman wrote:
On 9 apr, 14:42, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Terry Given"

Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?

** No he ain't.

 The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "

He lives there. but he's from australia.

**  So fucking what  ?????????

There is not one tiny thing " Aussie " about him.

Apart from my passport, my Ph.D. from Melbourne University, my eight
nieces and nephews, four grand-nieces and nephews ...

The vile, geriatric cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever
find.

Granting Phil's search skills. he probably couldn't find a closer
approximation if he was shaking hands with Gert Wilders (though I am
taller than Gert Wilders). Others could certainly do better.

Well, he clearly has no grasp of reality - who the hell would call
a socialist a fascist? ;-)
Click to expand...
Well, my brand of socialism isn't all that far to the left by European
standards - I vote for the Dutch Labour Party (Partij van de Arbeid)
which is sufficiently middle of the road to be part of the current
governing coalition.

The more left-wing Socialist Party has got 25 respresentatives in the
Dutch lower house - not that manyfewer than the PvdA\, which has 33 -
but it isn't part of the governing coalition, and they have been known
to call the PvdA a bunch of fascists, but there are a couple of
parties further to the right.

--
Biill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On 10 apr, 20:40, Rich Grise <r...@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:59:23 -0700, bill.sloman wrote:
On 9 apr, 14:42, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Terry Given"

Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?

** No he ain't.

 The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever
find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "

He lives there. but he's from australia.

**  So fucking what  ?????????

There is not one tiny thing " Aussie " about him.

Apart from my passport, my Ph.D. from Melbourne University, my
eight nieces and nephews, four grand-nieces and nephews ...

The vile, geriatric cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you
will ever >> find.

Granting Phil's search skills. he probably couldn't find a closer
approximation if he was shaking hands with Gert Wilders (though I
am taller than Gert Wilders). Others could certainly do better.

Well, he clearly has no grasp of reality - who the hell would call
a socialist a fascist? ;-)

Well, my brand of socialism isn't all that far to the left by European
standards - I vote for the Dutch Labour Party (Partij van de Arbeid)
which is sufficiently middle of the road to be part of the current
governing coalition.

The more left-wing Socialist Party has got 25 respresentatives in the
Dutch lower house - not that manyfewer than the PvdA\, which has 33 -
but it isn't part of the governing coalition, and they have been known
to call the PvdA a bunch of fascists, but there are a couple of
parties further to the right.
Click to expand...
I haven't been in Holland since the Rights are on the move...

The level of Holland dropped, IMO.
Maybe the ppl are still the same (uninquisitive and not argueing before
happening... a wonderful style which I like a lot! In Austria you are
firstly a criminal and then you get seized into anything the opponent
wishes to see you...) like before, when the Left Democrats vanished
from the show it became a bit Nazi like....
What I hear about Holland politically, was formerly, before the Right
activists, much better.



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
Don wrote:

Dear Phil, Do you have a PhD? Your expert use of the english language
has impressed us all here. My wife suggests, however, that the ancient
Maori custom of
squatting over your opponents grave, and urinating thereon, would be a
more customary method. I am sorry that you seem not to favour the
balanced approach to feeding a receiver, but are a proponent of coax.
I have never, in my life, found a person with such strong views on the
matter though. From your comments it is clear to all of us here that
your parents were never married, and, at this late stage, none of us
are sure that if they did, it would help you now.
All the best......Don Meriam, Philip, Joanna, and Jacquelyn.
Click to expand...
What me would interest even more.

What power attracts normal ppl, to even debate about such a flail-guy,
as Phil is!?
Seeking for deliriousness? Are you to normal, yet!? Do you need a
portion of madness?

;-)



Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: Off course he meant their own graves... let him alone with his
PAIN!
 
On 11 Apr 2008 10:21:14 GMT, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_mandic@aon.at>
wrote:

Don wrote:

Dear Phil, Do you have a PhD? Your expert use of the english language
has impressed us all here. My wife suggests, however, that the ancient
Maori custom of
squatting over your opponents grave, and urinating thereon, would be a
more customary method. I am sorry that you seem not to favour the
balanced approach to feeding a receiver, but are a proponent of coax.
I have never, in my life, found a person with such strong views on the
matter though. From your comments it is clear to all of us here that
your parents were never married, and, at this late stage, none of us
are sure that if they did, it would help you now.
All the best......Don Meriam, Philip, Joanna, and Jacquelyn.

What me would interest even more.

What power attracts normal ppl, to even debate about such a flail-guy,
as Phil is!?
Click to expand...
---
Daniel, in English it should be something like:

"What would interest me even more is learning what power attracts
normal people to even debate about such a flail-guy (?) as Phil is."
---

Seeking for deliriousness? Are you to normal, yet!? Do you need a
portion of madness?
Click to expand...
---
It would probably be different reasons for different people, and since
you've decided to join the debate, what would yours be?

JF
 
On 11 apr, 12:17, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_man...@aon.at> wrote:
bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
On 10 apr, 20:40, Rich Grise <r...@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:59:23 -0700, bill.sloman wrote:
On 9 apr, 14:42, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Terry Given"

Hey Phil, you do know Bill is an ocker, right?

** No he ain't.

 The cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you will ever
find.

" Bill Sloman, Nijmegen "

He lives there. but he's from australia.

**  So fucking what  ?????????

There is not one tiny thing " Aussie " about him.

Apart from my passport, my Ph.D. from Melbourne University, my
eight nieces and nephews, four grand-nieces and nephews ...

The vile, geriatric cunt is as big a Dutch, fascist PIG as you
will ever >> find.

Granting Phil's search skills. he probably couldn't find a closer
approximation if he was shaking hands with Gert Wilders (though I
am taller than Gert Wilders). Others could certainly do better.

Well, he clearly has no grasp of reality - who the hell would call
a socialist a fascist? ;-)

Well, my brand of socialism isn't all that far to the left by European
standards - I vote for the Dutch Labour Party (Partij van de Arbeid)
which is sufficiently middle of the road to be part of the current
governing coalition.

The more left-wing Socialist Party has got 25 respresentatives in the
Dutch lower house - not that manyfewer than the PvdA\, which has 33 -
but it isn't part of the governing coalition, and they have been known
to call the PvdA a bunch of fascists, but there are a couple of
parties further to the right.

I haven't been in Holland since the Rights are on the move...

The level of Holland dropped, IMO.
Maybe the ppl are still the same (uninquisitive and not argueing before
happening... a wonderful style which I like a lot! In Austria you are
firstly a criminal and then you get seized into anything the opponent
wishes to see you...) like before, when the Left Democrats vanished
from the show it became a bit Nazi like....
What I hear about Holland politically, was formerly, before the Right
activists, much better.
Click to expand...
There have always been right wing activists in the Netherlands - in
WW2 they produced more volunteers per head to fight with the SS
against the Russians than any of the other occupied countries - but
they are a despised (if vocal) minority. A few years ago the
psychopathic - if talented - Pim Fortuin demonstrated how you could
mobilise extreme right wing idiots into an electorate, before some
left-wing idiot made the tactical error of making his activities
respectable by shorting him dead. Since then Gert Wilders has tried to
step into his shoes, and the former (decidedly right wing) minister of
the interior - dissappointed at not getting to be leader of her long-
established political party, has decided to emulate Fortuin by setting
up yet another far right party.

None of them have any real political power nor any prospect of getting
any, but they do go out of their way to upset minorities as a
mechanism for getting themselves into the newspapers and on TV.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
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