Abbott Laboratories 5-Minute Test FDA Approved and in Mass P

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:24:31 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

There are other promising fast, low-cost testing solutions to the virus:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489723-uk-company-develops-prototype-of-cheap-10-minute-test-that-shows-if-you

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/18/oxford-scientists-develop-new-coronavirus-test-that-provides-results-in-just-30-minutes/

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Smartphone-operated-device-test-coronavirus_id123327

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

So what is the down side? They could do this for any number of diseases and don't, so there has to be a reason.

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[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:09:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

So what is the down side? They could do this for any number of diseases and don't, so there has to be a reason.

Are those other diseases pandemics caused by a highly infectious agent with most of the carriers asymptomatic/invisible?

That doesn't answer my question. Even in this situation the test may have more negatives than positives. For example, if it has a higher false negative rate, that's not good. In fact, that is VERY bad. A slightly higher false positive rate can be easily mitigated by quarantining the patient until the result of a more accurate test can be obtained.

I wasn't making a statement, I was asking a question.

So what are the down sides to this test?

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[Flyguy]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 2:20:30 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:47:11 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:24:31 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

There are other promising fast, low-cost testing solutions to the virus:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489723-uk-company-develops-prototype-of-cheap-10-minute-test-that-shows-if-you

That's an antibody test, not a PCR. PCR means you have an ongoing infection and are infectious, a postive antibody test means you either had or have an ongoing infection. The antibody test doesn't make a determination as to whether a person is infectious, which is most needed in a epidemic situation.


https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/18/oxford-scientists-develop-new-coronavirus-test-that-provides-results-in-just-30-minutes/

That takes much longer than the Abbott test, 30 minutes versus 5 minutes. And is still a prototype stage, not a finished product from a manufacturer already tooled and in process of delivering 3 million tests monthly.


https://www.phonearena.com/news/Smartphone-operated-device-test-coronavirus_id123327

That one does look good. It doesn't have a chance supplanting the main stream kind of market of the big players like Abbott, but it does look like a good product for mobile or field clinic applications.

An anti-body test is going to be inherently cheaper than a PCR test. Anybody who tests positive for antibodies can then get a PCR test, greatly relieving pressure on PCR test capabilities.

 

[Flyguy]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 2:40:09 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 2:20:30 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:47:11 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:24:31 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail..com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

There are other promising fast, low-cost testing solutions to the virus:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489723-uk-company-develops-prototype-of-cheap-10-minute-test-that-shows-if-you

That's an antibody test, not a PCR. PCR means you have an ongoing infection and are infectious, a postive antibody test means you either had or have an ongoing infection. The antibody test doesn't make a determination as to whether a person is infectious, which is most needed in a epidemic situation.


https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/18/oxford-scientists-develop-new-coronavirus-test-that-provides-results-in-just-30-minutes/

That takes much longer than the Abbott test, 30 minutes versus 5 minutes. And is still a prototype stage, not a finished product from a manufacturer already tooled and in process of delivering 3 million tests monthly.


https://www.phonearena.com/news/Smartphone-operated-device-test-coronavirus_id123327

That one does look good. It doesn't have a chance supplanting the main stream kind of market of the big players like Abbott, but it does look like a good product for mobile or field clinic applications.

An anti-body test is going to be inherently cheaper than a PCR test. Anybody who tests positive for antibodies can then get a PCR test, greatly relieving pressure on PCR test capabilities.

Also the Abbott unit takes 13 minutes (most will test negative). I don't know what the Abbott unit costs, but it is certainly in the thousands of dollars. You can buy many of the low cost units for the cost of one Abbott tester, resulting in more tests per hour.

 

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:09:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

So what is the down side? They could do this for any number of diseases and don't, so there has to be a reason.

Are those other diseases pandemics caused by a highly infectious agent with most of the carriers asymptomatic/invisible?

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On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:47:11 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:24:31 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

There are other promising fast, low-cost testing solutions to the virus:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489723-uk-company-develops-prototype-of-cheap-10-minute-test-that-shows-if-you

That's an antibody test, not a PCR. PCR means you have an ongoing infection and are infectious, a postive antibody test means you either had or have an ongoing infection. The antibody test doesn't make a determination as to whether a person is infectious, which is most needed in a epidemic situation..

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/18/oxford-scientists-develop-new-coronavirus-test-that-provides-results-in-just-30-minutes/

That takes much longer than the Abbott test, 30 minutes versus 5 minutes. And is still a prototype stage, not a finished product from a manufacturer already tooled and in process of delivering 3 million tests monthly.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Smartphone-operated-device-test-coronavirus_id123327

That one does look good. It doesn't have a chance supplanting the main stream kind of market of the big players like Abbott, but it does look like a good product for mobile or field clinic applications.

 

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:38:00 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:09:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

So what is the down side? They could do this for any number of diseases and don't, so there has to be a reason.

Are those other diseases pandemics caused by a highly infectious agent with most of the carriers asymptomatic/invisible?

That doesn't answer my question. Even in this situation the test may have more negatives than positives. For example, if it has a higher false negative rate, that's not good. In fact, that is VERY bad. A slightly higher false positive rate can be easily mitigated by quarantining the patient until the result of a more accurate test can be obtained.

The false negative in these kinds of tests is not a purely random phenomenon in the mathematical sense, until the viral load is right at the limits of detectability. This is a very small to non-existent group of people, the majority of whom are coming out of infection and not going into it. It still means the patient is not infectious. It would be extremely rare for anyone to be symptomatic with a viral load so small, a parts per billion type of thing. Right now the false positive rate on these PCRs is running zero. But anything can happen, the test material could be defective.

I wasn't making a statement, I was asking a question.

So what are the down sides to this test?

As long as they keep it in the hands of trained technologists who use best practices and maintain and calibrate their equipment, there won't be any.

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[Clifford Heath]

On 29/3/20 8:37 am, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:09:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

So what is the down side? They could do this for any number of diseases and don't, so there has to be a reason.

Are those other diseases pandemics caused by a highly infectious agent with most of the carriers asymptomatic/invisible?

That doesn't answer my question. Even in this situation the test may have more negatives than positives. For example, if it has a higher false negative rate, that's not good. In fact, that is VERY bad. A slightly higher false positive rate can be easily mitigated by quarantining the patient until the result of a more accurate test can be obtained.

I wasn't making a statement, I was asking a question.

So what are the down sides to this test?

It hasn't been done for many other diseases because there is
insufficient commercial motivation. No point telling someone what they
are sick with, unless (a) they will pay handsomely for that answer or
(b) you have something profitable that can cure it.

(a) doesn't happen with many diseases simply because (b) hasn't yet
happened.

CH

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 6:49:30 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:38:00 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:09:41 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

This is very similar to the test WHO has been using all along, just repackaged. A type of PCR looking for a single sequence specific to the virus. It doesn't like taking no for an answer so turns around a negative in 13 minutes. Positive results are turned around in 5-minutes.

So what is the down side? They could do this for any number of diseases and don't, so there has to be a reason.

Are those other diseases pandemics caused by a highly infectious agent with most of the carriers asymptomatic/invisible?

That doesn't answer my question. Even in this situation the test may have more negatives than positives. For example, if it has a higher false negative rate, that's not good. In fact, that is VERY bad. A slightly higher false positive rate can be easily mitigated by quarantining the patient until the result of a more accurate test can be obtained.

The false negative in these kinds of tests is not a purely random phenomenon in the mathematical sense, until the viral load is right at the limits of detectability. This is a very small to non-existent group of people, the majority of whom are coming out of infection and not going into it. It still means the patient is not infectious. It would be extremely rare for anyone to be symptomatic with a viral load so small, a parts per billion type of thing. Right now the false positive rate on these PCRs is running zero. But anything can happen, the test material could be defective.


I wasn't making a statement, I was asking a question.

So what are the down sides to this test?

As long as they keep it in the hands of trained technologists who use best practices and maintain and calibrate their equipment, there won't be any.

You can't tell me any specifics about this test, so you don't know that.

Besides, much of what you posted is bollocks.

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