A hifi bargain...

[Trevor Wilson]

On 25/07/2014 7:56 PM, Trevor wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
Real blind tests prove most people cannot tell
the difference between cheap cable and audiophool cable.

**Bullshit. Do the tests yourself. The difference is not that difficult to
hear.

That would require him to have one of the very few specific speakers with
really bad impedance problems, something he obviously doesn't have or he
wouldn't be arguing with you.
Of course why you need to argue about a specific case involving <<1% of
speakers on the market is another question?

**I suggest you read Bob's first post and my response to that post. I
have been careful maintain perpective.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[news13]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:43:09 +0200, BuckyBalls wrote:

Anyone over 40 or 50 years old won't be hearing much over 12kHz anyway,
no matter how much they try and deceive themselves into believing they
have avoided the inevitable decline that ALWAYS occurs with age-related
hearing.

Nope. Your arguments were fine until you trotted this out with ALWAYS.
You could have easily gotten away with MOST, but not all are affected.

In any case, age has SFA to do with the argument.

 

[BuckyBalls]

On 26/07/2014 3:19 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 25/07/2014 7:56 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
Real blind tests prove most people cannot tell
the difference between cheap cable and audiophool cable.

**Bullshit. Do the tests yourself. The difference is not that
difficult to
hear.

That would require him to have one of the very few specific speakers with
really bad impedance problems, something he obviously doesn't have or he
wouldn't be arguing with you.
Of course why you need to argue about a specific case involving <<1% of
speakers on the market is another question?


**I suggest you read Bob's first post and my response to that post. I
have been careful maintain perpective.

The only real way to tell is by blind listening tests. When you show an
audiophool which cable etc. you are testing they always fall for the
'it's expensive, it must be better or I'm just an audiophool' way of
thinking. With blind testing the results are the same as random guesses.
Blind listening tests PROVE that most people cannot tell the difference
between mega-dollar cables and coathanger wire! Look it up.
Anyone over 40 or 50 years old won't be hearing much over 12kHz anyway,
no matter how much they try and deceive themselves into believing they
have avoided the inevitable decline that ALWAYS occurs with age-related
hearing.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 26/07/2014 10:43 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:

On 26/07/2014 3:19 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 25/07/2014 7:56 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
Real blind tests prove most people cannot tell
the difference between cheap cable and audiophool cable.

**Bullshit. Do the tests yourself. The difference is not that
difficult to
hear.

That would require him to have one of the very few specific speakers
with
really bad impedance problems, something he obviously doesn't have or he
wouldn't be arguing with you.
Of course why you need to argue about a specific case involving <<1% of
speakers on the market is another question?


**I suggest you read Bob's first post and my response to that post. I
have been careful maintain perpective.

The only real way to tell is by blind listening tests.

**No argument from me. I have been subject to and hosted several such
tests. They are often quite humbling.

When you show an

audiophool which cable etc. you are testing they always fall for the
'it's expensive, it must be better or I'm just an audiophool' way of
thinking.

**Wrong. Whilst you would be correct in claiming that MANY listeners
choose the expensive cable, you would be wrong to claim that ALL do so.
Quite a few audiophiles are on the lookout for budget ways of obtaining
better sound quality. To that end, I have always promoted the use of
RG213/U cable for those listeners whose systems may benefit from the use
of low inductance speaker cables (those with ESLs and/or long cable
runs, for instance).

You should be more careful in your choice of language.


> With blind testing the results are the same as random guesses.

**BZZZZTT! Wrong. If you imagine that a several dB change in frequency
response is inaudible to ALL listeners, then you are horribly mistaken.

Blind listening tests PROVE that most people cannot tell the difference
between mega-dollar cables and coathanger wire!

**Again: Bullshit! Read my carefully constructed response earlier in the
thread. Do the maths. OTOH, I could easily construct a test to prove
that there is no difference between coathanger wire and $1,000.00/M
speaker cable, just as easily as I could construct a test to prove that
there are significant MEASURABLE and AUDIBLE differences between Goertz
MI-1 cable and cheap 'figure 8' cable.

It all depends on what one is attempting to prove.


Look it up.

Anyone over 40 or 50 years old won't be hearing much over 12kHz anyway,
no matter how much they try and deceive themselves into believing they
have avoided the inevitable decline that ALWAYS occurs with age-related
hearing.

**You seem to making a couple of faulty assumptions:

1) That the frequency response of human hearing, after 40 years of age,
hits some kind of 'brickwall' filter. It does not.
2) That the only listeners of consequence are 40 to 50 years of age.

For my part, I have been calling myself an audiophile since the age of
20. My hearing at age 24 was still excellent past 19kHz. In fact, I
recall one episode where I visited the warehouse attached to the company
I worked for, for the first time. I had to exit immediately. I found it
intolerable to remain inside. Curious I grabbed some ear protection and
ventured inside. Sure enough, I located several ultrasonic burglar alarm
sensors dotted around the building. A microphone, preamp, a CRO and a
frequency counter, showed that there appeared to a significant amount of
audio energy at around 24kHz inside the building. The warehouse guys
hadn't noticed, but I sure had. Nowadays, I'm sure it would not be a
problem.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson"

Some fool wrote:
Anyone over 40 or 50 years old won't be hearing much over 12kHz anyway,
no matter how much they try and deceive themselves into believing they
have avoided the inevitable decline that ALWAYS occurs with age-related
hearing.

**You seem to making a couple of faulty assumptions:

*** More than a couple...

1) That the frequency response of human hearing, after 40 years of age,
hits some kind of 'brickwall' filter. It does not.

*** An audiogram is NOT a response curve !!!!!
---------------------------------------------------

Several posters have made the really dopey error of equating audiograms
showing " hearing loss " - as defined by audiologists - with frequency
response and refuse to be corrected on the point.

Audiologists concentrate on finding the **faintest sound** a person can hear
at a given frequency, which has no relevance to what the same person CAN
easily hear when listening to music - live or reproduced at realistic
levels.

Take look at the famous equal loudness curves by Fletcher-Munson et alia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher-Munson

Firstly, it shows that the just audible threshold at 20Hz is 70dB SPL !!

At 10kHz, the threshold is around 10dB SPL, for a young person.

So, if an older person had a measured 40dB loss at 10kHz - all that means is
their threshold is now at 50dB SPL.

Such a person would perceive high frequencies perfectly well for reproduced
music played above a background level.



..... Phil

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 25/07/2014 8:50 AM, atec77 wrote:

On 25/07/2014 6:50 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 24/07/2014 3:44 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 24/07/2014 1:42 PM, keithr wrote:
On 23/07/2014 11:37 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 11:07 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 23/07/2014 8:46 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 10:33 AM, Clocky wrote:
Sigh.

**Like I said: Study some electrical theory and get back to us.


Face it Trevor, technical measurements are only of use to advertise
goods, or to brag about your possessions. If you happen to be a
musician
with the wherewithall to spend megabucks on a system, expensive speaker
cables may be marginally worthwhile, but for 99.9% of the population
the
transmission line parameters of them are totally irrelevant no matter
what your meters say.

Remember with such a vested interest twevy will bend twist and obscure
with goalpost moving no matter the facts



**What vested interests would they be, moron?

Just to re-cap:

* I don't sell Goertz products.
* I don't sell ESL speakers.
* RG213/U can be purchased almost anywhere.

You would not know a fact, if it smacked you across your stupid head.


Your welcome to try any time tweva but understand you might not get the
outcome you envisage whilst pulling your pud
as stated your heavily invested in the bs of the audiophile world
remember your publicly known as a goal shifter

**And again:

What vested interests would they be, moron?

You are a lying, scurrilous, gutless turd. Apologise or fuck off.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[BuckyBalls]

On 27/07/2014 12:00 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 26/07/2014 10:43 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 26/07/2014 3:19 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 25/07/2014 7:56 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
Real blind tests prove most people cannot tell
the difference between cheap cable and audiophool cable.

**Bullshit. Do the tests yourself. The difference is not that
difficult to
hear.

That would require him to have one of the very few specific speakers
with
really bad impedance problems, something he obviously doesn't have
or he
wouldn't be arguing with you.
Of course why you need to argue about a specific case involving <<1% of
speakers on the market is another question?


**I suggest you read Bob's first post and my response to that post. I
have been careful maintain perpective.

The only real way to tell is by blind listening tests.

**No argument from me. I have been subject to and hosted several such
tests. They are often quite humbling.

When you show an
audiophool which cable etc. you are testing they always fall for the
'it's expensive, it must be better or I'm just an audiophool' way of
thinking.

**Wrong. Whilst you would be correct in claiming that MANY listeners
choose the expensive cable, you would be wrong to claim that ALL do so.
Quite a few audiophiles are on the lookout for budget ways of obtaining
better sound quality. To that end, I have always promoted the use of
RG213/U cable for those listeners whose systems may benefit from the use
of low inductance speaker cables (those with ESLs and/or long cable
runs, for instance).

You should be more careful in your choice of language.


With blind testing the results are the same as random guesses.

**BZZZZTT! Wrong. If you imagine that a several dB change in frequency
response is inaudible to ALL listeners, then you are horribly mistaken.

Blind listening tests PROVE that most people cannot tell the difference
between mega-dollar cables and coathanger wire!

**Again: Bullshit! Read my carefully constructed response earlier in the
thread. Do the maths. OTOH, I could easily construct a test to prove
that there is no difference between coathanger wire and $1,000.00/M
speaker cable, just as easily as I could construct a test to prove that
there are significant MEASURABLE and AUDIBLE differences between Goertz
MI-1 cable and cheap 'figure 8' cable.

It all depends on what one is attempting to prove.


Look it up.
Anyone over 40 or 50 years old won't be hearing much over 12kHz anyway,
no matter how much they try and deceive themselves into believing they
have avoided the inevitable decline that ALWAYS occurs with age-related
hearing.

**You seem to making a couple of faulty assumptions:

1) That the frequency response of human hearing, after 40 years of age,
hits some kind of 'brickwall' filter. It does not.

Nevertheless, if you are worried about a few dB in speaker cable
interaction, you should remember what the age-related hearing loss is
doing on top of that.

> 2) That the only listeners of consequence are 40 to 50 years of age.

That would be the lower end for most of this ng!
P.A. must be around 60 based on when he failed to finish university.

For my part, I have been calling myself an audiophile since the age of
20. My hearing at age 24 was still excellent past 19kHz. In fact, I
recall one episode where I visited the warehouse attached to the company
I worked for, for the first time. I had to exit immediately. I found it
intolerable to remain inside. Curious I grabbed some ear protection and
ventured inside. Sure enough, I located several ultrasonic burglar alarm
sensors dotted around the building. A microphone, preamp, a CRO and a
frequency counter, showed that there appeared to a significant amount of
audio energy at around 24kHz inside the building. The warehouse guys
hadn't noticed, but I sure had. Nowadays, I'm sure it would not be a
problem.

Your hearing was exceptional, not the norm.

 

[Trevor]

"BuckyBalls" <"The Pres"@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c3js35F7b1mU1@mid.individual.net...

For my part, I have been calling myself an audiophile since the age of
20. My hearing at age 24 was still excellent past 19kHz. In fact, I
recall one episode where I visited the warehouse attached to the company
I worked for, for the first time. I had to exit immediately. I found it
intolerable to remain inside. Curious I grabbed some ear protection and
ventured inside. Sure enough, I located several ultrasonic burglar alarm
sensors dotted around the building. A microphone, preamp, a CRO and a
frequency counter, showed that there appeared to a significant amount of
audio energy at around 24kHz inside the building. The warehouse guys
hadn't noticed, but I sure had. Nowadays, I'm sure it would not be a
problem.

Your hearing was exceptional, not the norm.

Well mine easily made 20kHz when I was 20, (sure wish it did now) and I once
had a girlfriend who could do that at 30. I don't think it's all that
exceptional.

Trevor.

 

[atec77]

On 27/07/2014 4:09 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 25/07/2014 8:50 AM, atec77 wrote:
On 25/07/2014 6:50 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 24/07/2014 3:44 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 24/07/2014 1:42 PM, keithr wrote:
On 23/07/2014 11:37 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 11:07 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 23/07/2014 8:46 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 10:33 AM, Clocky wrote:
Sigh.

**Like I said: Study some electrical theory and get back to us.


Face it Trevor, technical measurements are only of use to advertise
goods, or to brag about your possessions. If you happen to be a
musician
with the wherewithall to spend megabucks on a system, expensive
speaker
cables may be marginally worthwhile, but for 99.9% of the population
the
transmission line parameters of them are totally irrelevant no matter
what your meters say.

Remember with such a vested interest twevy will bend twist and obscure
with goalpost moving no matter the facts



**What vested interests would they be, moron?

Just to re-cap:

* I don't sell Goertz products.
* I don't sell ESL speakers.
* RG213/U can be purchased almost anywhere.




Your welcome to try any time tweva but understand you might not get the
outcome you envisage whilst pulling your pud
as stated your heavily invested in the bs of the audiophile world
remember your publicly known as a goal shifter


**And again:

What vested interests would they be, moron?

that which you display in every post and denial , bitch

You are a lying, scurrilous, gutless turd. Apologise or fuck off.

make me tweva , you wet arsed lying bitch

--









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[Trevor Wilson]

On 27/07/2014 9:24 PM, atec77 wrote:

On 27/07/2014 4:09 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 25/07/2014 8:50 AM, atec77 wrote:
On 25/07/2014 6:50 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 24/07/2014 3:44 PM, atec77 wrote:
On 24/07/2014 1:42 PM, keithr wrote:
On 23/07/2014 11:37 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 11:07 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 23/07/2014 8:46 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 23/07/2014 10:33 AM, Clocky wrote:
Sigh.

**Like I said: Study some electrical theory and get back to us.


Face it Trevor, technical measurements are only of use to advertise
goods, or to brag about your possessions. If you happen to be a
musician
with the wherewithall to spend megabucks on a system, expensive
speaker
cables may be marginally worthwhile, but for 99.9% of the population
the
transmission line parameters of them are totally irrelevant no matter
what your meters say.

Remember with such a vested interest twevy will bend twist and obscure
with goalpost moving no matter the facts



**What vested interests would they be, moron?

Just to re-cap:

* I don't sell Goertz products.
* I don't sell ESL speakers.
* RG213/U can be purchased almost anywhere.




Your welcome to try any time tweva but understand you might not get the
outcome you envisage whilst pulling your pud
as stated your heavily invested in the bs of the audiophile world
remember your publicly known as a goal shifter


**And again:

What vested interests would they be, moron?

that which you display in every post and denial , bitch

**OK, so you have nothing to back your idiotic claim. SOP.

You are a lying, scurrilous, gutless turd. Apologise or fuck off.

make me tweva , you wet arsed lying bitch

**No need. With every post, you paint yourself as more of an idiot.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 27/07/2014 6:37 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:

On 27/07/2014 12:00 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 26/07/2014 10:43 PM, BuckyBalls wrote:
On 26/07/2014 3:19 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 25/07/2014 7:56 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
Real blind tests prove most people cannot tell
the difference between cheap cable and audiophool cable.

**Bullshit. Do the tests yourself. The difference is not that
difficult to
hear.

That would require him to have one of the very few specific speakers
with
really bad impedance problems, something he obviously doesn't have
or he
wouldn't be arguing with you.
Of course why you need to argue about a specific case involving
1% of
speakers on the market is another question?


**I suggest you read Bob's first post and my response to that post. I
have been careful maintain perpective.

The only real way to tell is by blind listening tests.

**No argument from me. I have been subject to and hosted several such
tests. They are often quite humbling.

When you show an
audiophool which cable etc. you are testing they always fall for the
'it's expensive, it must be better or I'm just an audiophool' way of
thinking.

**Wrong. Whilst you would be correct in claiming that MANY listeners
choose the expensive cable, you would be wrong to claim that ALL do so.
Quite a few audiophiles are on the lookout for budget ways of obtaining
better sound quality. To that end, I have always promoted the use of
RG213/U cable for those listeners whose systems may benefit from the use
of low inductance speaker cables (those with ESLs and/or long cable
runs, for instance).

You should be more careful in your choice of language.


With blind testing the results are the same as random guesses.

**BZZZZTT! Wrong. If you imagine that a several dB change in frequency
response is inaudible to ALL listeners, then you are horribly mistaken.

Blind listening tests PROVE that most people cannot tell the difference
between mega-dollar cables and coathanger wire!

**Again: Bullshit! Read my carefully constructed response earlier in the
thread. Do the maths. OTOH, I could easily construct a test to prove
that there is no difference between coathanger wire and $1,000.00/M
speaker cable, just as easily as I could construct a test to prove that
there are significant MEASURABLE and AUDIBLE differences between Goertz
MI-1 cable and cheap 'figure 8' cable.

It all depends on what one is attempting to prove.


Look it up.
Anyone over 40 or 50 years old won't be hearing much over 12kHz anyway,
no matter how much they try and deceive themselves into believing they
have avoided the inevitable decline that ALWAYS occurs with age-related
hearing.

**You seem to making a couple of faulty assumptions:

1) That the frequency response of human hearing, after 40 years of age,
hits some kind of 'brickwall' filter. It does not.

Nevertheless, if you are worried about a few dB in speaker cable
interaction, you should remember what the age-related hearing loss is
doing on top of that.

**Still beating that drum? Read what I wrote. Read what PA wrote. If you
still don't understand, then read it all over again. I'm not going to
repeat myself.

2) That the only listeners of consequence are 40 to 50 years of age.

That would be the lower end for most of this ng!

**This NG is not the entire listening public. It represents a miniscule
sub-set.

> P.A. must be around 60 based on when he failed to finish university.

**Irrelevancy, piled on irrelevancy.

For my part, I have been calling myself an audiophile since the age of
20. My hearing at age 24 was still excellent past 19kHz. In fact, I
recall one episode where I visited the warehouse attached to the company
I worked for, for the first time. I had to exit immediately. I found it
intolerable to remain inside. Curious I grabbed some ear protection and
ventured inside. Sure enough, I located several ultrasonic burglar alarm
sensors dotted around the building. A microphone, preamp, a CRO and a
frequency counter, showed that there appeared to a significant amount of
audio energy at around 24kHz inside the building. The warehouse guys
hadn't noticed, but I sure had. Nowadays, I'm sure it would not be a
problem.

Your hearing was exceptional, not the norm.

**I can't say that, nor can you.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[atec77]

On 28/07/2014 7:05 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 27/07/2014 9:24 PM, atec77 wrote:

**And again:

What vested interests would they be, moron?

that which you display in every post and denial , bitch

**OK, so you have nothing to back your idiotic claim. SOP.


You are a lying, scurrilous, gutless turd. Apologise or fuck off.

make me tweva , you wet arsed lying bitch

**No need. With every post,

again your driving home the point that as a human being you are
ineffectual worthless and gutless

I tweva paint myself as more of an idiot.

typo fixed

--









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[Clocky]

On 25/07/2014 5:44 PM, Trevor wrote:

"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
news:53cfc130$0$2766$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com...
On 23/07/2014 4:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:

Never mind speakers. I have a habit of
swapping my amplifiers from time to time, at the time of posting it
was the National receiver that was set up. Can you explain what is
wrong with it?


Again, I didn't say there is anything wrong with it. But I'm sure you know
that USB DAC's connected to PC's are notoriously noisy.

What rubbish, you are about 20 years behind the times with that comment.

Pity about all the people reporting that very issue online right now then.


My

USB ADC/DAC can do better than 118dB S/N below DFS on loopback, and less
than 0.002% THD. (And for the record, there are internal PCI cards that do
just as well also) Easily better than CD is capable of.

I personally hate connecting stuff to my laptop and PC because the noise
that is introduced annoys me.

Time you bought something better then. Go to a pro audio shop, or look on
the net. They are not that expensive for two channels now.

Trevor.

Both my PC and laptop introduce a lot of background noise. Mileage may
vary I suppose.

 

[Clocky]

On 25/07/2014 7:46 AM, Jeßus wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:45:45 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 24/07/2014 7:56 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:29:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:


FWIW: I use 192 MP3 in the car, because I can't hear the difference in
that environment. Different matter on the home system.

I'm happy enough with mp3 in the cars for the same reason. That said,
the Pioneer tuner/USB player in the Hilux is great as it also supports
FLAC files, so I don't need to muck about converting to mp3 just so I
can play them in the car.


**On a somewhate related matter, I was speaking with a mate yesterday
and he was complaining that his CD player in his late model Landcruiser
skips on rough roads. Does you Pioneer survive such treatment? I haven't
looked at the Landcruiser dash, but, if it uses a standard DIN sized
radio, I could whack in a modern unit with USB capability. That should
solve his problem. As long as Toyota don't use some weird sized radio,
of course.

This Pioneer unit doesnt have a CD/DVD drive at all - it's just a
tuner and has two USB inputs for memory sticks.

Had no problems with it playing on rough roads - in fact yesterday I
was in the bush with a load of firewood and had to charge through a
creek crossing so hard that it broke the battery carrier, tore a wire
off and I might have even cracked the radiator (I have to go out and
look at that in a minute). But the Pioneer kept playing the pod casts
no problem

That said, I've had a few CD players in 4WDs and never really had a
problem with skipping on rough roads.

Even the crap factory unit in my Hilux has only just started skipping
and that likely to be due to crap on the lens or a worn out laser.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 22/07/2014 8:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/bybee-holographic-ac-adapter/

Bybee Holographic AC Adapter
RRP: $2,795.00
Now $2,295.00.

Then there's this:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/pranawire-photon-usb/

Gotta keep those vibrations and resonances out of one's digital cables.

Sylvia.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 28/07/2014 10:00 PM, Clocky wrote:

On 25/07/2014 5:44 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
news:53cfc130$0$2766$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com...
On 23/07/2014 4:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:

Never mind speakers. I have a habit of
swapping my amplifiers from time to time, at the time of posting it
was the National receiver that was set up. Can you explain what is
wrong with it?


Again, I didn't say there is anything wrong with it. But I'm sure you
know
that USB DAC's connected to PC's are notoriously noisy.

What rubbish, you are about 20 years behind the times with that comment.

Pity about all the people reporting that very issue online right now then.


My
USB ADC/DAC can do better than 118dB S/N below DFS on loopback, and less
than 0.002% THD. (And for the record, there are internal PCI cards
that do
just as well also) Easily better than CD is capable of.





I personally hate connecting stuff to my laptop and PC because the noise
that is introduced annoys me.

Time you bought something better then. Go to a pro audio shop, or look on
the net. They are not that expensive for two channels now.

Trevor.




Both my PC and laptop introduce a lot of background noise. Mileage may
vary I suppose.

**So? You have faulty equipment. My desktop manages -106dB S/N on
loopback, using an internal Sound Blaster card. The laptop, using an
external USB test device is slightly better.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Bob Milutinovic]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:c3mtatFr239U1@mid.individual.net...

On 22/07/2014 8:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:
http://www.tweekgeek.com/bybee-holographic-ac-adapter/

Bybee Holographic AC Adapter
RRP: $2,795.00
Now $2,295.00.


Then there's this:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/pranawire-photon-usb/

Gotta keep those vibrations and resonances out of one's digital cables.

Indeed. Your $29 inkjet printer might throw its colour balance out with any
lesser cable.

Gotta love the shoddy heatshrink job on the second image (don't they know
you have to keep the heat gun moving?), along with the Brother/Dymo
labeller-printed sleeves. Did they run out of trained monkeys?

--
Bob Milutinovic
Cognicom

 

[Clocky]

On 29/07/2014 4:58 PM, Bob Milutinovic wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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On 22/07/2014 8:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:
http://www.tweekgeek.com/bybee-holographic-ac-adapter/

Bybee Holographic AC Adapter
RRP: $2,795.00
Now $2,295.00.


Then there's this:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/pranawire-photon-usb/

Gotta keep those vibrations and resonances out of one's digital cables.

Indeed. Your $29 inkjet printer might throw its colour balance out with
any lesser cable.

Gotta love the shoddy heatshrink job on the second image (don't they
know you have to keep the heat gun moving?), along with the Brother/Dymo
labeller-printed sleeves. Did they run out of trained monkeys?

3m for $1,695 though and what a bargain with the free shipping!

http://www.tweekgeek.com/bybee-speaker-bullets-MK-II/

Quantum purified!

But what is inside V1?

http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?topic=8497.msg1640961#msg1640961

In Dutch, but scroll down to see the pics...

(Please tell me nobody is so stupid to buy into this nonsense)

 

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:17:31 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 22/07/2014 8:11 AM, Jeßus wrote:
http://www.tweekgeek.com/bybee-holographic-ac-adapter/

Bybee Holographic AC Adapter
RRP: $2,795.00
Now $2,295.00.


Then there's this:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/pranawire-photon-usb/

Gotta keep those vibrations and resonances out of one's digital cables.

Just what I need for my DAC. I always suspected the USB cable I'm
using was affecting the sound quality <rolls eyes>

 

[Trevor]

"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
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On 25/07/2014 5:44 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com> wrote in message
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On 23/07/2014 4:28 PM, Jeßus wrote:
Never mind speakers. I have a habit of
swapping my amplifiers from time to time, at the time of posting it
was the National receiver that was set up. Can you explain what is
wrong with it?


Again, I didn't say there is anything wrong with it. But I'm sure you
know
that USB DAC's connected to PC's are notoriously noisy.

What rubbish, you are about 20 years behind the times with that comment.

Pity about all the people reporting that very issue online right now then.

Then they are 20 years behind as well, so what? Some of them weren't born at
the time so have an excuse.

I personally hate connecting stuff to my laptop and PC because the noise
that is introduced annoys me.

Time you bought something better then. Go to a pro audio shop, or look on
the net. They are not that expensive for two channels now.


Both my PC and laptop introduce a lot of background noise. Mileage may
vary I suppose.

As I said, time you got a better one then.

Trevor.