A fascinating read on HDMI and analog conversion legal issue

Guest
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment:
"It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

Michael
 
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 04/04/16 21:49, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment: "It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player
with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention
clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a
Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention
device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player
would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

OK, we'll all have to get a digital interface implant under one ear
then.

Your comment is three days old.

Jeroen Belleman
Click to expand...


Or simply use DVD players, I guess.

It's closer to a year old :)

Michael
 
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:07:38 PM UTC-7, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 04/04/16 21:49, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment: "It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player
with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention
clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a
Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention
device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player
would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

OK, we'll all have to get a digital interface implant under one ear
then.

Your comment is three days old.

Jeroen Belleman



Or simply use DVD players, I guess.

It's closer to a year old :)

Michael
Click to expand...

Oh, wait, 2 years old. It's not 2015 anymore? Hahaha. I can't count anymore...

Michael
 
On 04/04/16 21:49, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment: "It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player
with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention
clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a
Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention
device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player
would have their license revoked, and be shut down."
Click to expand...

OK, we'll all have to get a digital interface implant under one ear
then.

Your comment is three days old.

Jeroen Belleman
 
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 6:50:00 AM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/04/2016 03:49 PM, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment:
"It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

Michael

So putting a Blu-Ray drive in a PC with a VGA output is illegal?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

Hahaha, I guess so! (And maybe that's a better solution!)

Michael
 
On 04/04/2016 03:49 PM, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment:
"It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

Michael

So putting a Blu-Ray drive in a PC with a VGA output is illegal?
Click to expand...

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 11:22:40 AM UTC-7, Kevin Glover wrote:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:07:38 PM UTC-7, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 04/04/16 21:49, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment: "It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player
with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention
clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a
Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention
device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player
would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

OK, we'll all have to get a digital interface implant under one ear
then.

Your comment is three days old.

Jeroen Belleman



Or simply use DVD players, I guess.

It's closer to a year old :)

Michael


Oh, wait, 2 years old. It's not 2015 anymore? Hahaha. I can't count anymore...

Michael
GREAT SCOTT! 2016 and not a single Flux Capacitor to be seen. I'm
stuck here. At least there are now self lacing shoes and hover boards
(self-combusting).
Click to expand...

When I first heard hover boards were for sale, I thought they were copies of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfa9HrieUyQ

When I actually saw one and realized it's a miniature Segway I was very disappointed.

Michael
 
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:07:38 PM UTC-7, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 04/04/16 21:49, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment: "It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player
with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention
clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a
Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention
device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player
would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

OK, we'll all have to get a digital interface implant under one ear
then.

Your comment is three days old.

Jeroen Belleman



Or simply use DVD players, I guess.

It's closer to a year old :)

Michael


Oh, wait, 2 years old. It's not 2015 anymore? Hahaha. I can't count anymore...

Michael
Click to expand...
GREAT SCOTT! 2016 and not a single Flux Capacitor to be seen. I'm
stuck here. At least there are now self lacing shoes and hover boards
(self-combusting).
 
On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 6:50:00 AM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:

> So putting a Blu-Ray drive in a PC with a VGA output is illegal?

Not if that's ALL you intend to accomplish.
You left out 'reproducing coded video from a Blu-Ray disc through the VGA
port'. Don't you recall the difficulties DVD-Jon had? DMCA might not make
much sense, but it might make BluRay license restrictions very enforceable, in the US.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen>
 
So putting a Blu-Ray drive in a PC with a VGA output is illegal?

Not if that's ALL you intend to accomplish.
You left out 'reproducing coded video from a Blu-Ray disc through the VGA
port'.   Don't you recall the difficulties DVD-Jon had?  DMCA might not make
much sense, but it might make BluRay license restrictions very enforceable, in the US.
Click to expand...

Not a big deal to me--apart from one documentary about the family of a good friend of mine, I haven't watched a movie in nearly 30 years. (The last commercial one was "A Passage to India", in 1987ish.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 
In article <q69dgb5732t1rh16hqtifp9ssu83uukh7v@4ax.com>,
kevinfglover@yahoo.com says...
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:11:45 -0700 (PDT), mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:07:38 PM UTC-7, mrda...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 04/04/16 21:49, mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-1702592/blu-ray-hdmi.html

Comment: "It is illegal(due to the DMCA) to make any Blu-ray player
with any kind of an analog output anymore. The anti circumvention
clause of the DMCA was written so broadly that anything like a
Blu-ray player with analog output would be considered a circumvention
device, and any company making analog output on a Blu-ray player
would have their license revoked, and be shut down."

OK, we'll all have to get a digital interface implant under one ear
then.

Your comment is three days old.

Jeroen Belleman



Or simply use DVD players, I guess.

It's closer to a year old :)

Michael


Oh, wait, 2 years old. It's not 2015 anymore? Hahaha. I can't count anymore...

Michael
GREAT SCOTT! 2016 and not a single Flux Capacitor to be seen. I'm
stuck here. At least there are now self lacing shoes and hover boards
(self-combusting).
Click to expand...

you do have Mr. Fusion... Must be some banana skins around somewhere..

Jamie
 
On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 12:49:01 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:

> Comment:

Note that it is just that. Some guy on the internet posting his opinion.

The DMCA itself probably doesn't matter unless you're planning on making a
player which uses another manufacturer's decryption key.

A manufacturer who has been allocated a key will have entered into a
constract to get that key. The contract will dictate issues such as
honouring any constraint tokens stored in the content (these typically
dictate that the content cannot be passed to an unencrypted output above a
certain resolution).

The lack of players with analogue outputs is more a consequence of the
fact that there aren't enough people who would want to connect a blu-ray
player to an analogue monitor to justify the extra cost.

The PlayStation 3 can be used as a blu-ray player and has composite and
component analogue video out, but that was one of the first blu-ray
players, released when non-HDMI TVs were still quite common.
 
Kevin Glover wrote:
GREAT SCOTT! 2016 and not a single Flux Capacitor to be seen. I'm
stuck here. At least there are now self lacing shoes and hover boards
(self-combusting).
Click to expand...

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EB00/121G.oap

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