802.11b and/or 802.11g connection from 2-3km

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How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?

Where can I obtain required items in Australia?
 
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700, Roberto wrote:

How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?
only in your dreams, probably! i must admit to not knowing the specific
technicalities of this, but i'd hazard a guess that under the right
circumstances you could probably get 2-3km, but not omnidiretional. with
the right yagi antennas at both ends, you might have a chance of getting
that distance, but that's strictly directional. it would rely on the gain
of a directional antenna.

Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?
to get that range, omni, you'd need an amplifier on every node. i'd be
very surprised if that was legal!

will
 
If you look at "geurilla nets", it can be done, but the equipment needed for
the "central location" is not cheap .. it is omnidirectional tho ..

http://www.x.net.au/

You need a fairly expensive amplifier, connected to a WAP, and then the
right antenna .. you also need high quality antennas at each recieving end,
and line of sight.

If you can't get line of sight, forget it :)

"will kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700, Roberto wrote:

How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

only in your dreams, probably! i must admit to not knowing the specific
technicalities of this, but i'd hazard a guess that under the right
circumstances you could probably get 2-3km, but not omnidiretional. with
the right yagi antennas at both ends, you might have a chance of getting
that distance, but that's strictly directional. it would rely on the gain
of a directional antenna.

Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?

to get that range, omni, you'd need an amplifier on every node. i'd be
very surprised if that was legal!

will
 
will kemp wrote:
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700, Roberto wrote:

How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

only in your dreams, probably! i must admit to not knowing the specific
technicalities of this, but i'd hazard a guess that under the right
circumstances you could probably get 2-3km, but not omnidiretional. with
the right yagi antennas at both ends, you might have a chance of getting
that distance, but that's strictly directional. it would rely on the gain
of a directional antenna.

Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?

to get that range, omni, you'd need an amplifier on every node. i'd be
very surprised if that was legal!

Corner reflector good coax and line of site
or Special License and gain stick and maybe a power module only
choices
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If you have Line of Sight it is possible.
Get yourself a Hills (or similar) 24dBi parabolic Antenna & point it at the
omni . Bi-directional amps are allowed (but expensive) as long as the total
power going out from the antenna doesn't exceed 4Watts (EIRP).
"Roberto" <robertohawkowski@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?

Where can I obtain required items in Australia?
 
"Roberto" <robertohawkowski@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

Legal in australia is 4W EIRP. This is an intensity. Its the intensity as
4W spread over a sphere.



Now if you pump 30 mW into a tiny tunnel, that tunnel may have the
intensity at the same or higher than a sphere that has 4W of power.



802.11b extends better. of course its slower..


Omni needs 200mW devices, or 200mW amplifier, to boost the 16dB omni to
just below legal.

Eg Teletronics or Macromate XI352H2 PCMCIA cards are 200mW

Or Senoa ML-5345 (etc) minipci cards are 200mW. Minipci cards can fit into
carrier pci card.

If you have a long cable (40 metres) between amp and omni, you can use 500
or 1000 mW amp , and stay inside legal.


At the other end, you can use directional antenna, and a 30mW card.



We use Teletronics or Pacific Satellite gear from www.pacsat.com.au

Eg, instead of building your own Antenna, cable , access point, just run
etherent up to the roof and install an ICPE on the roof. No need for
fiddling with antenna cable.
 
"will kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700, Roberto wrote:

How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

only in your dreams, probably! i must admit to not knowing the specific
technicalities of this, but i'd hazard a guess that under the right
circumstances you could probably get 2-3km,
remove the "-".

23km is barely possible within no license legal limits for 802.11b.


15km is doable.


but not omnidiretional.
yes, you can have omni at one end. In fact the legal limit is EIRP, so it
doesnt matter if you use omni or directional, you really only have to boost
signal *INTENSITY* up to legal limit.

but calculate out the dBm and required signal level for discrimination ..
receiver sensitivity increases on the higher output cards too , so first
boost card power and then boost antenna.


with
the right yagi antennas at both ends, you might have a chance of getting
that distance, but that's strictly directional. it would rely on the gain
of a directional antenna.
thats requires for 54mbs.


Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?

to get that range, omni, you'd need an amplifier on every node. i'd be
very surprised if that was legal!
Yes its legal. legal is 4 W EIRP. You can use any 802.11b equipment to get
that.

Most access points and retail cards are 30mW or so with low sensitivity.

You can improve on this with professional cards and amps.
 
Where to get amplifier in Australia?

"Howard Latham" <HowardLatham@dodo.com> wrote in message
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"will kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:57:19 -0700, Roberto wrote:

How to extend wireless ethernet (802.11b and/or 802.11g) connection
range to omni-directional 2-3km?

only in your dreams, probably! i must admit to not knowing the specific
technicalities of this, but i'd hazard a guess that under the right
circumstances you could probably get 2-3km,

remove the "-".

23km is barely possible within no license legal limits for 802.11b.


15km is doable.


but not omnidiretional.

yes, you can have omni at one end. In fact the legal limit is EIRP, so it
doesnt matter if you use omni or directional, you really only have to
boost signal *INTENSITY* up to legal limit.

but calculate out the dBm and required signal level for discrimination ..
receiver sensitivity increases on the higher output cards too , so first
boost card power and then boost antenna.


with
the right yagi antennas at both ends, you might have a chance of getting
that distance, but that's strictly directional. it would rely on the gain
of a directional antenna.

thats requires for 54mbs.



Does it need power amplifier and special antenna if so is it
license-free?

to get that range, omni, you'd need an amplifier on every node. i'd be
very surprised if that was legal!

Yes its legal. legal is 4 W EIRP. You can use any 802.11b equipment to
get that.

Most access points and retail cards are 30mW or so with low sensitivity.

You can improve on this with professional cards and amps.
 
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:15:01 +0000, Howard Latham wrote:

only in your dreams, probably! i must admit to not knowing the specific
technicalities of this, but i'd hazard a guess that under the right
circumstances you could probably get 2-3km,

remove the "-".

23km is barely possible within no license legal limits for 802.11b.


15km is doable.
oh well, there ya go! talking out of my arse again (as usual)! ;-)

will
 
In aus.computers.linux Lord-Data <data@ihug.com.au> wrote:
If you look at "geurilla nets", it can be done, but the equipment needed for
the "central location" is not cheap .. it is omnidirectional tho ..
You dont usually need an amp, but they are available here;

http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/1_27

For an AP servicing points within 2 - 3 km, then something fairly high
senstivity like the senaos at 100mW is good, for both the AP and
clients.

http://www.x.net.au/
Better prices at techtopia :p

If you can't get line of sight, forget it :)
This bit is at least fairly accurate.

till
 
"till" <not@here.com> wrote in message
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In aus.computers.linux Lord-Data <data@ihug.com.au> wrote:
If you look at "geurilla nets", it can be done, but the equipment needed
for
the "central location" is not cheap .. it is omnidirectional tho ..

You dont usually need an amp, but they are available here;

http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/1_27

For an AP servicing points within 2 - 3 km, then something fairly high
senstivity like the senaos at 100mW is good, for both the AP and
clients.

http://www.x.net.au/

Better prices at techtopia :p

If you can't get line of sight, forget it :)

This bit is at least fairly accurate.
The old Galaxy/Austar MDS (Mesh backed) 2.5Ghz dishes make very nice
~ 14Db antennas with some quite simple reworking. And they are dime a dozen
at least in this area - several hundred on rooftops and tv towers here -
unused since
they changed to all satellite. My mother in law lives a block away, and
has one, so
I will be modifying that so that we can network her computer onto our lan.
LOL she
thinks it borders on black magic......

Geoff in South Oz
 
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:51:32 +0930, The CO wrote:

"till" <not@here.com> wrote in message
news:1097392936.515335@sodium.indigo.net.au...
In aus.computers.linux Lord-Data <data@ihug.com.au> wrote:
If you look at "geurilla nets", it can be done, but the equipment
needed
for
the "central location" is not cheap .. it is omnidirectional tho ..

You dont usually need an amp, but they are available here;

http://www.techtopia.com.au/index.php/cPath/1_27

For an AP servicing points within 2 - 3 km, then something fairly high
senstivity like the senaos at 100mW is good, for both the AP and
clients.

http://www.x.net.au/

Better prices at techtopia :p

If you can't get line of sight, forget it :)

This bit is at least fairly accurate.

The old Galaxy/Austar MDS (Mesh backed) 2.5Ghz dishes make very nice ~
14Db antennas with some quite simple reworking. And they are dime a dozen
at least in this area - several hundred on rooftops and tv towers here -
unused since
they changed to all satellite. My mother in law lives a block away, and
has one, so
I will be modifying that so that we can network her computer onto our lan.
LOL she
thinks it borders on black magic......

Geoff in South Oz
You can buy 2.4GHz feedhorns from Hills (IIRC) reasonably cheap.

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