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Take another deep huff o your gasoline soaked bag and then explain whereOn Nov 13, 5:55 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
Is there something wrong in your hallucinations
Some US jackasses do think USA "IS"
the world.
You are too lazy, jim. You took the first"leonard7...@gmail.com" wrote:
On Nov 12, 10:41 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> .wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:39 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
Peak oil is always a few years ahead.
"Peak Oil" at the present time, has evolved
from a production modeling resource into
a marketing scam.
It worked quite well in 1956 to accurately
predict that United States oil production
would peak between 1965 and 1970. But
when Hubbert turned to foreign sources
he lost his way not understanding the way
Arabs and Russians do business,
Unquestionably, Peak Oil's models were
responsible for the surge in prices for crude in
the futures markets. Added to that the API's
reluctance to accept the concept of "abiotic oil"
allowed the Sa'uds and Russians to conceal
their increased resources by drilling their old
unproductive holes deeper.
Cheap energy fueled the flight to the
suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling
individual houses for small families and individuals.
Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a
primarily urban one.
Auto makers and oil
companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular.
Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and
prosperous and healthy than we had been.
But
there is a finite amount of oil in the ground,
Bullshit!!!! There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
and even though we are
unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become
increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand
continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to
afford it.
BULLSHIT!!
Is there something wrong in your hallucinationsThere is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
Even if we accept your bullshit claim at face value, that's still aBut
there is a finite amount of oil in the ground,
Bullshit!!!! There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
You screw up and then try to pass your"leonard7...@gmail.com" wrote:
On Nov 13, 5:55 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
Is there something wrong in your hallucinations
Some US jackasses do think USA "IS"
the world.
Take another deep huff o your gasoline soaked bag and then explain where
in the US Brazil can be found.
for the hallucinations. USA is not the wholeBret Cahill wrote:
There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
It would seem that John Larkin is responsible
The fact is that the "oil drum is the companyThis is one guy's projection for oil prices from now to 2020:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/image2415_0.png
The bottom graph is the price of oil projected into the future. The grey
areas in the graph are major recessions that bring the price of oil down
after it has spiked to a peak. We are in the first grey area now.
Go back to grade school, perhaps grade 3"leonard7...@gmail.com" wrote:
On Nov 13, 5:12 pm, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net> wrote:
"leonard7...@gmail.com" wrote:
On Nov 12, 10:41 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> .wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:39 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
Peak oil is always a few years ahead.
"Peak Oil" at the present time, has evolved
from a production modeling resource into
a marketing scam.
It worked quite well in 1956 to accurately
predict that United States oil production
would peak between 1965 and 1970. But
when Hubbert turned to foreign sources
he lost his way not understanding the way
Arabs and Russians do business,
Unquestionably, Peak Oil's models were
responsible for the surge in prices for crude in
the futures markets. Added to that the API's
reluctance to accept the concept of "abiotic oil"
allowed the Sa'uds and Russians to conceal
their increased resources by drilling their old
unproductive holes deeper.
Cheap energy fueled the flight to the
suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling
individual houses for small families and individuals.
Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a
primarily urban one.
Auto makers and oil
companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular.
Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and
prosperous and healthy than we had been.
But
there is a finite amount of oil in the ground,
Bullshit!!!! There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
You are too lazy, jim. You took the first
estimate when they hit oil. It has been revised
upward 3 or more times. Petrobras is chilling
about the numbers but people are speaking of
a factor of 100
Hmmm.... All this happened since Nov 12 when petrobras made that
announcement?
Are rightards really going to purge Charlie Crist from the GOP?There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
Is there something wrong in your hallucinations
Some US jackasses do think USA "IS"
the world.
Take another deep huff o your gasoline soaked bag and then explain where
in the US Brazil can be found.
You screw up and then try to pass your
stupidity on to me just like jackass Bret
Cahill.
For millions in India it'll mean a short life.There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
In neighbouring fields, Exxon, BP, China,
Saudi Arabia, etc, are all drilling 10 miles
below the surface.
Want to know more Google for "Tupi",
Petrobras, Sustainable oil, "Deep Hot
Biosphere" ...
There is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
Some are calling it "The Long Goodbye."
It'll be a "long goodbye" for those making over several hundred
thousand a year.
There's no way it'll be _that_ cyclical. It would be interesting toThis is one guy's projection for oil prices from now to 2020:
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/image2415_0.png
Oil will only be affordable when we are in a recession?The bottom graph is the price of oil projected into the future. The grey
areas in the graph are major recessions that bring the price of oil down
after it has spiked to a peak. We are in the first grey area now.
And to think that on alt.politics rightards were saying ObamaThere is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
You are too lazy, jim. You took the first
estimate when they hit oil. It has been revised
upward 3 or more times. Petrobras is chilling
about the numbers but people are speaking of
a factor of 100
Fuel is already higher than milk.Even the prototype is only $100K.
http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid...
Leave the big engine in there for the road trips.
The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near
the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really
good idea.
I came up with a similar idea a few years ago.
http://www.smart.net/~pstech/SHAMPAC.htm
It was too big a project for me alone and I had other priorities. There was
also the problem of making an electric motor that had sufficient torque and
speed for direct drive requirements, and I had planned to use a reduction
chain drive, but that added some mechanical engineering challenges. But I
found wheel hub motors available and in-use. And I found another website
that described how to replace the alternator with a larger motor/generator
which could be used to provide additional power from a battery bank and
also be used for regenerative braking. But that was not very efficient
because there was no easy way to unload the ICE to run on electric power
alone.
I recently saw the movie "End of Suburbia"http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
which gives a lot of insight into how we in the US got into the situation
we are now in, and the ramifications of "Peak Oil", which is where we are
now or will be in a few years.
Peak oil is always a few years ahead.
Cheap energy fueled the flight to the
suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling
individual houses for small families and individuals.
Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a
primarily urban one.
Auto makers and oil
companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular.
Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and
prosperous and healthy than we had been.
But
there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, and even though we are
unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become
increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand
continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to
afford it.
They will buy less as the price increases. This will happen slowly,
and people will adapt.
The economy relies on increased growth which is untenable globally, so we
will need to adapt to an economy based on sustainable moderation and
reduction of spending. Our economy as presently configured is doomed
because it depends on continued sales of items that are based on cheap
energy, materials, transportation, and labor. Much of the economy is about
trade in items that are not essential and based on rapid obsolescence to be
discarded and replaced. But we may very well. in our lifetimes, see a point
where it will become difficult for most people to afford the essential
food, clothing, shelter, and heating that are now taken for granted.
Food and clothing in the USA are incredibly cheap; go to a Wal-Mart
and see. Houses are available in Detroit for $1.
And when the recession is over the price of fuel will soar to $10/
gallon and beyond.
And it will still be cheaper than a gallon of milk.
Ah of course it must be John Larkin who is responsible for thoseThere is something wrong with your hallucinations. According to
Petrobras the Tupi oil field contains 5-8 billion barrels. The world
uses 31 billion a year.
It would seem that John Larkin is responsible
for the hallucinations. USA is not the whole
world in case John hasn't noticed
I couldn't find any patents or applications for Charles Perry. It wasEven the prototype is only $100K.
http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid...
Leave the big engine in there for the road trips.
The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near
the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really
good idea.
"What makes our approach different is we don't need to modify anything
in existing vehicles to turn them into a hybrid," said Perry. "We
install the motor in the space between the brake mechanism and the hub
without any other modifications."
I wish the image had the resolution to be readable,
It might be better than spending 50K for a Volt.but that system
looks like it would push the wheels out (by going between the wheel
and the brake) and disturb the suspension geometry that would require
other changes.
The car would not drive well with all the battery weight and changed
suspension geometry without numerous other changes.
If axles were hollow they could be mounted on the outside of theIf there is something that hangs on the inboard side it might work by
making FWD cars be RWD cars in electric mode, but it would interfere
with drive shafts in the front on FWD cars and the rear axle or drive
shafts on RWD cars. Front hubs or spindles on RWD cars won't accept
something hanging inside the brake very well in most cases.
This morning in San Francisco, a gallon or regular gas costs $3.20 andEven the prototype is only $100K.
http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid...
Leave the big engine in there for the road trips.
The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near
the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really
good idea.
I came up with a similar idea a few years ago.
http://www.smart.net/~pstech/SHAMPAC.htm
It was too big a project for me alone and I had other priorities. There was
also the problem of making an electric motor that had sufficient torque and
speed for direct drive requirements, and I had planned to use a reduction
chain drive, but that added some mechanical engineering challenges. But I
found wheel hub motors available and in-use. And I found another website
that described how to replace the alternator with a larger motor/generator
which could be used to provide additional power from a battery bank and
also be used for regenerative braking. But that was not very efficient
because there was no easy way to unload the ICE to run on electric power
alone.
I recently saw the movie "End of Suburbia"http://www.endofsuburbia.com/
which gives a lot of insight into how we in the US got into the situation
we are now in, and the ramifications of "Peak Oil", which is where we are
now or will be in a few years.
Peak oil is always a few years ahead.
Cheap energy fueled the flight to the
suburbs and the inherently wasteful concept of long commutes and sprawling
individual houses for small families and individuals.
Cheap oil changed a predominantly rural, farming society into a
primarily urban one.
Auto makers and oil
companies made more profits as such a lifestyle became more popular.
Of course. In the process they made us far, far more efficient and
prosperous and healthy than we had been.
But
there is a finite amount of oil in the ground, and even though we are
unlikely to "run out" suddenly like draining a gas tank, it will become
increasingly costly to extract, and price will rise exponentially as demand
continues to increase, until most people simply will not have the money to
afford it.
They will buy less as the price increases. This will happen slowly,
and people will adapt.
The economy relies on increased growth which is untenable globally, so we
will need to adapt to an economy based on sustainable moderation and
reduction of spending. Our economy as presently configured is doomed
because it depends on continued sales of items that are based on cheap
energy, materials, transportation, and labor. Much of the economy is about
trade in items that are not essential and based on rapid obsolescence to be
discarded and replaced. But we may very well. in our lifetimes, see a point
where it will become difficult for most people to afford the essential
food, clothing, shelter, and heating that are now taken for granted.
Food and clothing in the USA are incredibly cheap; go to a Wal-Mart
and see. Houses are available in Detroit for $1.
And when the recession is over the price of fuel will soar to $10/
gallon and beyond.
And it will still be cheaper than a gallon of milk.
Fuel is already higher than milk.
This is the Mechanics Illustrated phenomenon: every month all sorts ofEven the prototype is only $100K.
http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid...
Leave the big engine in there for the road trips.
The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near
the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really
good idea.
"What makes our approach different is we don't need to modify anything
in existing vehicles to turn them into a hybrid," said Perry. "We
install the motor in the space between the brake mechanism and the hub
without any other modifications."
I wish the image had the resolution to be readable,
I couldn't find any patents or applications for Charles Perry. It was
probably invented back in the '70s.
Several companies are coming out with them:
http://nashville.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2009/10/12/story5.html
Indeed you are a stupid sucker.Last time on rec.autos.driving, "leonard7...@gmail.com"
leonard7...@gmail.com> said:
But
there is a finite amount of oil in the ground,
Bullshit!!!! There is ONE well in the south
Atlantic (still under development) that has
reserves sufficient to supply USA with all
its' needs for centuries.
Even if we accept your bullshit claim at face value, that's still a
FINITE supply.
The best lampoon was National Lampoon on MI:Even the prototype is only $100K.
http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid...
Leave the big engine in there for the road trips.
The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near
the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really
good idea.
"What makes our approach different is we don't need to modify anything
in existing vehicles to turn them into a hybrid," said Perry. "We
install the motor in the space between the brake mechanism and the hub
without any other modifications."
I wish the image had the resolution to be readable,
I couldn't find any patents or applications for Charles Perry. It was
probably invented back in the '70s.
Several companies are coming out with them:
http://nashville.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2009/10/12/story5....
This is the Mechanics Illustrated phenomenon:
Or a century ago.every month all sorts of
amazing inventions are announced, all of which will revolutionize our
lives and be on the market next year. That's been going on for 60
years or so. And they missed most of the things that have in fact
revolutionized our lives.
The systems you cite here don't appear to even have working prototypes
in operation. And none appear to involve technology that wasn't
available 10 years ago.
The price of fuel hadn't gone over $5/gallon back then.Explain that.
Current US average at the pump is about $2.60.Even the prototype is only $100K.
http://www.planetanalog.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218400113&cid...
Leave the big engine in there for the road trips.
The unsprung weight doubles and the batteries might not always be near
the original design center of mass but aside from that it's a really
good idea.
"What makes our approach different is we don't need to modify anything
in existing vehicles to turn them into a hybrid," said Perry. "We
install the motor in the space between the brake mechanism and the hub
without any other modifications."
I wish the image had the resolution to be readable,
I couldn't find any patents or applications for Charles Perry. It was
probably invented back in the '70s.
Several companies are coming out with them:
http://nashville.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2009/10/12/story5....
This is the Mechanics Illustrated phenomenon:
The best lampoon was National Lampoon on MI:
"Convert your piano to diesel power."
Maybe the letter of recommendation from an admitted pimp / vandal to
Harvard Law School was better.
"And since I was living under an assumed name . . ."
every month all sorts of
amazing inventions are announced, all of which will revolutionize our
lives and be on the market next year. That's been going on for 60
years or so. And they missed most of the things that have in fact
revolutionized our lives.
The systems you cite here don't appear to even have working prototypes
in operation. And none appear to involve technology that wasn't
available 10 years ago.
Or a century ago.
A lot of stuff gets patented before it's cost effective.
Explain that.
The price of fuel hadn't gone over $5/gallon back then.
The price of fuel should include the true costs of getting the raw materialOn Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:08:35 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:
The price of fuel hadn't gone over $5/gallon back then.
Current US average at the pump is about $2.60.
If I'm not paying for the cost of the crude oil when I buy gas, who"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:4mk0g5hbeti1qevmtnjoii2omkp3is7m2g@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:08:35 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:
The price of fuel hadn't gone over $5/gallon back then.
Current US average at the pump is about $2.60.
The price of fuel should include the true costs of getting the raw material
(crude oil)
OK, sell your car and bicycle. I'll wave as I drive past in the coldburned. So the war in the Middle East should most fairly be subsidized by
fuel taxes. We are already subsidizing terrorist activities with the
profits made by the Arabs and other countries who produce the oil, so why
not also subsidize our costs? Thus each individual may effectively vote on
the continuation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan by reducing
consumption or continuing with the escalation of wasted energy by accepting
Detroit's continued push to sell overpowered minidick compensation toys.