12V-6V stepdown circuit wanted

[David]

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave

 

[Clifford Heath]

David wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Too much current to be worth doing. Open it up, take one of the
batteries with you to Jaycar or somewhere like that, and buy
replacements. Or just turf the whole thing and buy a better one
for $30 or so.

 

[KLR]

On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave

for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

 

[David]

Thanks Clifford . . I've already replaced the batteries - the drill is

20yrs old) - and I have others. In my campervan a drill would be handy at
times when I'm in the bush. I just don't like weasting things! I might give

the direct connection a try.
David

"Clifford Heath" <no@spam.please> wrote in message
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David wrote:
I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette
lighter socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use
in car.) Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Too much current to be worth doing. Open it up, take one of the
batteries with you to Jaycar or somewhere like that, and buy
replacements. Or just turf the whole thing and buy a better one
for $30 or so.

 

[David]

Thanks Ken,

I'll give it a try . . all I can do is burn the motor out, but at >20 years,
I guess it doesn't owe me much.

David
"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette
lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave



for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

 

[KLR]

On Mon, 02 May 2005 04:22:40 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken,

I'll give it a try . . all I can do is burn the motor out, but at >20 years,
I guess it doesn't owe me much.

David
"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette
lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave



for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

Try a few metres of that cord - measure the voltage at the drill -

when drill motor is running, and let us know the voltage there - Im
curious as to the drop. I think you will find that this will provide
a pretty good voltage drop if you use a few metres.

 

[FruitLoop]

You of course could calculate this a little .

Find the running current of the 6 volt motor . Use a multimeter , hopefully
its not over 10A

Then find the resistance of the wire .Easily obtainable

Apply Ohms law V=IR

Maybe allow a 20 percent over voltage max to help with peak loads


"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette
lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave



for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

One day FruitLoop got dressed and committed to text

You of course could calculate this a little .

Find the running current of the 6 volt motor . Use a multimeter ,
hopefully its not over 10A

Then find the resistance of the wire .Easily obtainable

Apply Ohms law V=IR

Maybe allow a 20 percent over voltage max to help with peak loads


"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car
cigarette lighter socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be
convenient to use in car.) Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave



for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

OTOH is it wise to assume that the motor was indeed rated 7.2v ??
As said before many will run on a few more volts and likely have a little
more power. Particularly with older ones.


--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

 

[FruitLoop]

"Rheilly Phoull" <Rheilly@bigpong.com> wrote in message
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One day FruitLoop got dressed and committed to text

You of course could calculate this a little .

Find the running current of the 6 volt motor . Use a multimeter ,
hopefully its not over 10A

Then find the resistance of the wire .Easily obtainable

Apply Ohms law V=IR

Maybe allow a 20 percent over voltage max to help with peak loads


"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car
cigarette lighter socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be
convenient to use in car.) Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave



for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

OTOH is it wise to assume that the motor was indeed rated 7.2v ??
As said before many will run on a few more volts and likely have a little
more power. Particularly with older ones.


--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

Its a balance between reliability and power output verses duty cycle and
longtivity

 

[Chopper]

Hi Dave

For what it is worth: I had a situation a while back where someone wanted a
similar setup, a 7.2V Makita saw sharpener. My solution was to connect a
number of high current (35A) bridge rectifiers in series, the +12V from the
battery going to the -ve terminal on the 1st bridge & the +ve terminal going
to the -ve terminal of the next bridge in line with the final bridge +ve
going to the +ve of the motor. (Battery negative going to the negative of
the drill motor)

Each bridge will drop about 1.2 - 1.4V regardless of load (within reason).
Therefore going from 12V to 6V, you will need 5 bridge rectifiers, which
will need to be mounted on a suitable heatsink. I found in my situation,
resistors did not work satisfactorily as the current varied too much. When I
wanted some grunt, there was no volts & hence no torque

BTW, this arrangment is actually used in a commercial 24V -12V reducer


--
Regards

Chopper

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"David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car cigarette
lighter
socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be convenient to use in car.)
Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave

 

[Benjamin W D Jordan]

It is obvious to me that either everyone here is in the stone age or you are
all feeling the chill of winter coming and need hot resisters and/or diode
bridges to warm yourselves up on.

If, on the other hand, running off a battery (be it vehicle or small NiCds)
means anything to you then you will need a more efficient solution.

If you want to drive the drill with 6V from a 12V source then its very
simple - you just need a switched DC waveform at 50% duty cycle. Since the
drill motor is inductive you don't need any filter capacitors because the
inductance of the windings will smooth out the current to DC anyway. All you
need is a 555 timer circuit set to run at as close to 50% duty cycle (on the
lower side) driving an N-Channel MOSFET (I would recommend 2 * MTP3055V's
from Jaycar Electronics in parralell) with a 3-AMP diode reversed from the
drill connection to your +12V supply to catch any possible brush spikes. Run
the 555 timer in astable mode at around 20KHz frequency. All the parts
necessary to do this can be purchased at Jaycar or Dick Smith and shouldn't
cost too much. If you don't want to bother figuring out the circuit
yourself, then there is a kit - the High Current DC-DC converter which can
be constructed to do this - you could even mod it to have a variable speed
drill controller.

-Ben

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One day FruitLoop got dressed and committed to text

You of course could calculate this a little .

Find the running current of the 6 volt motor . Use a multimeter ,
hopefully its not over 10A

Then find the resistance of the wire .Easily obtainable

Apply Ohms law V=IR

Maybe allow a 20 percent over voltage max to help with peak loads


"KLR" <kenreed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 03:30:15 GMT, "David" <vwq47@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm wanting to run a 6V cordless drill directly from a car
cigarette lighter socket. (Batteries have had it but it would be
convenient to use in car.) Can anyone suggest a suitable circuit?

Thanks

Dave



for what its worth, my mobile auto-electrician has a 7.2v makita
rechargable drill that he modified to run direct from a car lighter
socket (12vdc) without any form of voltage reduction (other than the
resistance in the 4metre of .75mm square fig 8 that was used to
connect to the lighter plug). I did ask of this setup, as I was
concerned about the possible over-voltage issues and he said that the
drill had been working like this for many years on a daily basis with
his trade without any problems.


(He did get sick of flat batteries all the time with the original
setup)


I think its worth a try using such a distance of fig 8 cable - the
voltage drop in the cable is obviously enough.

OTOH is it wise to assume that the motor was indeed rated 7.2v ??
As said before many will run on a few more volts and likely have a little
more power. Particularly with older ones.


--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull



Its a balance between reliability and power output verses duty cycle and
longtivity