0.1Hz to 2MHz Amp circuit/bought equipment

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Wayne

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Hi
Could anyone help. I am trying to find either a circuit or a piece of
equipment for a pre amp.
It needs to have a flat response from 0.1Hz to 2MHz (without switching in
diff. comps.) and capable of an input imp. of 100MR and able to deal with an
input voltage switch of +/-10v (down to 1uV).
A oscilloscope buffer would be perfect if I could find one.


Cheers

Wayne
 
Hi Wayne

If you just need a buffer without voltage gain to convert a hi-Z input
to a low-Z output and you want to roll your own I'd look at 0033 and
0063 style buffers. Here is an app note about these:

http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-227.pdf

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
 
"Wayne" <nospam-mail@wlawson.com> wrote in message
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Hi
Could anyone help. I am trying to find either a circuit or a piece of
equipment for a pre amp.
It needs to have a flat response from 0.1Hz to 2MHz (without switching in
diff. comps.) and capable of an input imp. of 100MR and able to deal with
an
input voltage switch of +/-10v (down to 1uV).
A oscilloscope buffer would be perfect if I could find one.


Cheers

Wayne
Click to expand...
lm6152 is one op amp that springs to mind, 75mhz gain bandwidth product.,
should be easy to use, although might fall short of 100M ohm but theres
plenty of others, to chose from, dont know what gain/input ofset you need
tho.

Colin =^.^=
 
Wayne wrote...
Could anyone help. I am trying to find either a circuit or a piece
of equipment for a pre amp.
It needs to have a flat response from 0.1Hz to 2MHz (without switching
in diff. comps.) and capable of an input imp. of 100MR and able to deal
with an input voltage switch of +/-10v (down to 1uV).
A oscilloscope buffer would be perfect if I could find one.
Click to expand...
colin answered...
lm6152 is one op amp that springs to mind, 75mhz gain bandwidth product.,
should be easy to use, although might fall short of 100M ohm but theres
plenty of others, to chose from, dont know what gain/input ofset you need
tho.
Click to expand...
Wayne responded...
This device tails off close to 400Hz at 5v.
See image att. form datasheet
Click to expand...
That's 400kHz, not 400Hz, and it's the slew-rate-limited maximum
frequency for 5Vp-p output swing, not the gain frequency response.

You didn't specify your required gain or maximum rate of change.
Slew rate is S = 2pi f A. For a full +/-10V output swing at 2MHz,
that's a serious 125V/us. You'll also need a +/-15V supply opamp.

I like Burr-Brown OPA627's nice JFET input, but at 55V/us it's
too slow. Their OPA637 does 135V/us, but you'd have to wire it
in input-compensated mode for G = 1, which could compromise Zin.

The LM6321 and LM6325 were nice 800V/us G=1 buffers. The LM6313
works well, but is hard to get. I also liked the LM6362, R.I.P.
Guess you'll have to consider Analog Device's bipolar AD817, with
350V/us, even tho it has 3.3uA of input current. Ouch! Other
fast-slewing +/-15V opamps are LT1355, LT1357, LT1358 and EL2244.
The LT1229 is an exceptionally-fast current-feedback opamp, rated
up to 1000V/us and with a lower Ibias = 0.3uA typ for the + input.

Now, if you create an input attenuator to allow using +/-5V supply
opamps, you'll need less slew rate, and you'll have many more ICs
to choose from, like the elegant OPA655, a JFET rated at 290V/us.
For this opamp you'd need to restrict your input signal to +/-2.5V,
but then it would give you full-range swing capability up to 16MHz.

Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)
 
yes well spoted -)

i did notice it had rather low output curent, i shld of mentioned it but he
didnt specify what gain or op load so i didnt consider that. i noticed the
slew rate is 30v/us so i didnt condisder op swing a problem.

but somehow looks like this will struggle to give 1v op at 1mhz probably
half this at 2volts strange ... ive used quite a few at 5volt and not
noticed this, maybe ive not got anywhere near the 100pf load its speced at
wich undoubtedly limits it but ive used it mainly at several hundred khz and
the edges look sharp.

he specified 10volt/1uv so i asume the 10v is heavily atenuated like in a
scope amplifier and this would have a bandwidth of 2mhz with a gain of 10
wich with 1uv input wld only be 10uv op so this may stil be suitable, but
like i said theres 100s to chose from i chose this over others becuase of
the low input bias current.

i just noticed the lmh6732 i think this wld be overkill tho as it has GBW of
upto 1.5ghz and still with low input bias current but only 15Mohm, and
350mhz op at 2v. i bet it must be new or hard to get cos i could of done
with one of these not long ago, dont know how available it is now though.
youd beter be careful about layout though cos it cld easily oscilate at
frequencies well over what you can see on most scopes, and wld just show up
as very jitery behaviour and odd unexplained DC offsets.

or maybe the lmh6645 is better, i just looked for low input bias curent in
this nice table from national ...
http://www.national.com/parametric/0,1850,711-c17-0,00.html
actualy i dont know why i didnt think of the opa655 as ive used this before
too it would do well.

Colin =^.^=

"Wayne" <nospam-mail@wlawson.com> wrote in message
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Hi Colin

This device tails off close to 400Hz at 5v.
See image att. form datasheet
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"Wayne" <nospam-mail@wlawson.com> wrote in message
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Hi
Could anyone help. I am trying to find either a circuit or a piece of
equipment for a pre amp.
It needs to have a flat response from 0.1Hz to 2MHz (without switching in
diff. comps.) and capable of an input imp. of 100MR and able to deal with
an
input voltage switch of +/-10v (down to 1uV).
A oscilloscope buffer would be perfect if I could find one.
Click to expand...

Z = 1/(2*pi*R*f). An input impedance of 100MEG, at 2MHz, corresponds to
about .0008pF.

I don't believe you can construct a piece of instrumentation that meets that
spec. (The leads of an IC have more capacitance between them than that,
never mind what's inside the IC.) Or did you just want DC input resistance
that high?

How about if you tell us what it is you're trying to use this preamp for?
There's probably a better way to do what you want.
 
If you are looking for a complete solution and not a chip to build
around, the Stanford Research preamp seems pretty close. See:
http://www.srsys.com/products/SR560.htm Response is +/- 0.5 dB to 1 MHz
but they don't show any response curves so it's not clear if it has
enough gain at 2 MHz for you.

--
Regards,
Carl Ijames carl.ijames at verizon.net
 
Carl Ijames wrote...
If you are looking for a complete solution and not a chip to build
around, the Stanford Research preamp seems pretty close. See:
http://www.srsys.com/products/SR560.htm Response is +/- 0.5 dB to
1 MHz but they don't show any response curves so it's not clear if
it has enough gain at 2 MHz for you.
Click to expand...
As I pointed out, it wasn't the lack of gain above 400kHz that
Wayne complained about the LM6152, intentionally or not, it was
the LM6152's slew-rate limitation for 20Vp-p full-swing output.

Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)
 
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