‘We are damned fools’: scientist who sounded cli mate alarm in 80s warns of worse to come...

[Fred Bloggs]

“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said.. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/19/climate-crisis-james-hansen-scientist-warning

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:58:26 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/19/climate-crisis-james-hansen-scientist-warning

The world\'s record temp was 134F in Death Valley in 1913.

 

[a a]

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 00:58:31 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

stop spreading your fake

ask Greta first

Climate Changes is an ancient tautology by Heraclitus

Everything flows

Panta rhei

 

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Darius the Dumb has posted yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa article.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 9:34:35 AM UTC+10, a a wrote:

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 00:58:31 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

stop spreading your fake.

The fake here is a a, who think he knows what he is talking about.

ask Greta first

Climate Changes is an ancient tautology by Heraclitus. Everything flows, Panta rhei

Unfortuantely it is flowing faster than Heralitis would have liked, and the rate of change is accelerating.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:58:31 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting.

Not all that interesting. We\'ve know it for about thirty years now,

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.

\"Heading towards\" isn\'t any guarantee that we will get there. The last hot spell, 55.5 million years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

was a period \"with a more than 5–8 °C global average temperature rise across the event\". It doesn\'t seem to have had activists running around trying to cut CO2 emissions either - or a least their protedt banners haven\'t fossilised.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/19/climate-crisis-james-hansen-scientist-warning

James Hansen is probably pretty alien to a a and John Larkin - he seems to have a functional brain, and they don\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Brian Gregory]

On 20/07/2023 00:27, John Larkin wrote:

The world\'s record temp was 134F in Death Valley in 1913.

The temperature at one point is on the earth completely irrelevant.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:37:04 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:58:31 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting.

Not all that interesting. We\'ve know it for about thirty years now,

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.
\"Heading towards\" isn\'t any guarantee that we will get there. The last hot spell, 55.5 million years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

was a period \"with a more than 5–8 °C global average temperature rise across the event\". It doesn\'t seem to have had activists running around trying to cut CO2 emissions either - or a least their protedt banners haven\'t fossilised.

The difference between now and then is the anthropogenic warming is going off like a bomb compared to the earlier events that took tens of thousands of years to unfold.

The 20oC figure is an extrapolation of the non-linear acceleration out to the end of the century. The acceleration component only just recently emerged from the measurement noise so there\'s quite a bit of uncertainty.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/19/climate-crisis-james-hansen-scientist-warning
James Hansen is probably pretty alien to a a and John Larkin - he seems to have a functional brain, and they don\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:19:10 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:37:04 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:58:31 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
“We quite possibly are already living in a climate that no human has lived through before and we are certainly living in a climate that no human has lived in since before the birth of agriculture,” said Bob Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers University.

Interesting.

Not all that interesting. We\'ve know it for about thirty years now,

“We are pushing temperatures up to Pliocene levels, which is outside the realm of human experience; it’s such a massive change that most things on Earth haven’t had to deal with it,” Huber said. “It’s basically an experiment on humans and ecosystems to see how they respond. Nothing is adapted to this.”

Hansen\'s latest interpretation of the data and its trending is 1) global warming is accelerating, it\'s no longer a slow linear progression, and 2) Earth is heading for a 20oC global average temperature rise.
\"Heading towards\" isn\'t any guarantee that we will get there. The last hot spell, 55.5 million years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

was a period \"with a more than 5–8 °C global average temperature rise across the event\". It doesn\'t seem to have had activists running around trying to cut CO2 emissions either - or a least their protest banners haven\'t fossilised.

The difference between now and then is the anthropogenic warming is going off like a bomb compared to the earlier events that took tens of thousands of years to unfold.

The 20oC figure is an extrapolation of the non-linear acceleration out to the end of the century. The acceleration component only just recently emerged from the measurement noise so there\'s quite a bit of uncertainty.

Don\'t be silly. The temperature record is noisy. but we know exactly what\'s driving it - CO2 emissions - and we\'ve been measuring them precisely since 1958.

We do know that that will have to be reigned in rapidly, and have known it since the 1990\'s. What\'s different now (and has been for about a decade) is that solar cells and wind turbines are delivering electric power more cheaply than you can get it by burning fossil carbon, and greedy capitalists are making money by doing just that. Unfortunately it takes time and money to build and install the solar cells and wind turbines, so things are going to get worse for a while yet.

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/19/climate-crisis-james-hansen-scientist-warning

James Hansen is probably pretty alien to a a and John Larkin - he seems to have a functional brain, and they don\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[a a]

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 16:59:43 UTC+2, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 9:19:35 PM UTC+10, a a wrote:
Anthony, you get crazy, responding every of my posts.

I do ignore most of them. Some are too deliciously fatuous to ignore. CO2 not a greenhouse gas?
Morons from Sydney never earn Ph.D.

Moron is moron

 

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Darius the Dumb has posted yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa article.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:49:50 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:19:10 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:37:04 PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:58:31 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

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The difference between now and then is the anthropogenic warming is going off like a bomb compared to the earlier events that took tens of thousands of years to unfold.

The 20oC figure is an extrapolation of the non-linear acceleration out to the end of the century. The acceleration component only just recently emerged from the measurement noise so there\'s quite a bit of uncertainty.
Don\'t be silly. The temperature record is noisy. but we know exactly what\'s driving it - CO2 emissions - and we\'ve been measuring them precisely since 1958.

The acceleration component is a brand new finding. Even Michael Mann is questioning it, but only as something that can be called definitive, just yet.

Because the data being looked at is noisy.

We do know that that will have to be reigned in rapidly, and have known it since the 1990\'s. What\'s different now (and has been for about a decade) is that solar cells and wind turbines are delivering electric power more cheaply than you can get it by burning fossil carbon, and greedy capitalists are making money by doing just that. Unfortunately it takes time and money to build and install the solar cells and wind turbines, so things are going to get worse for a while yet.

Forget it. Too many natural tripping points have been activated

None of which you will be able to name

> and too many unknowns about time lagged effects.

And the \"effects\' are just as unspecified.

> It\'s too late to rein anything in.

That\'s an unsubstantiated assertion.

> The absolutely last recourse will be geo-engineered shading, and even that may not be effective enough.

Geoengineering will be expensive, and venture capitalists will be looking cream off lots of profit by selling their services to the tax payers. There\'s a strong preference for flashy stuff that make for impressive presentations. One scheme that would work - crushing lots of dolomite rock and spreading it on beaches - isn\'t flashy enough to get that kind of attention.

> There\'s some scuttlebutt in the national news about serious talks about the implementation already underway at the highest levels in the Biden administration.

Venture capitalists doing what they do best.

> They\'re just going to have to throw caution to the winds ( pun intended ) and go for it.

Go for ripping off loads of money ...

Earth is just a big rock orbiting a star, the idea that it is some kind of entity dedicated to being kind to mankind is some kind of perverse psycho-fairy tale. And, no, the aliens are not going to show up to rescue anybody either.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/19/climate-crisis-james-hansen-scientist-warning

James Hansen is probably pretty alien to a a and John Larkin - he seems to have a functional brain, and they don\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 3:34:52 AM UTC+10, a a wrote:

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 16:59:43 UTC+2, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 9:19:35 PM UTC+10, a a wrote:
Anthony, you get crazy, responding every of my posts.

I do ignore most of them. Some are too deliciously fatuous to ignore. CO2 not a greenhouse gas?

Moron is moron

As a a persists in reminding us.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney