‘Giant Methane Factories’: Hydropower Has Long B een Touted as Clean Energy....

[Fred Bloggs]

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/

Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:51:25 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

Yeah, and lakes do the same. Lakes have lots of acres, but not so many acre-feet as
power reservoirs, and depth matters: reservoirs only accumulate biomatter for methane on their
algae-top surfaces; the depth is free in that regard.

The phrasing \'greater\' suggests, but doesn\'t give any numbers, and there\'s no references to multiple
studies \'decades\' apart. It\'s bafflegab if the effect is negligible, and only ONE study that
claims an effect (methane, not CO2); while CO2 persists in atmosphere for centuries, methane
dwindles after a few years.

The article is good for fishwrap.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 9:08:14 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:51:25 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.
Yeah, and lakes do the same. Lakes have lots of acres, but not so many acre-feet as
power reservoirs, and depth matters: reservoirs only accumulate biomatter for methane on their
algae-top surfaces; the depth is free in that regard.

The phrasing \'greater\' suggests, but doesn\'t give any numbers, and there\'s no references to multiple
studies \'decades\' apart. It\'s bafflegab if the effect is negligible, and only ONE study that
claims an effect (methane, not CO2); while CO2 persists in atmosphere for centuries, methane
dwindles after a few years.

The article is good for fishwrap.

The article is about hydropower reservoirs in particular, not the general phenomenon of inland bodies of water. One of the parameters associated with hydropower is the reservoirs are dammed up rivers. And those rivers have high flow rates and extensive watersheds. Watersheds drain their dissolved biomatter into the reservoir, along with large debris from things like flash floods and snow melt, and lots of it. This is what makes it a big deal. Methane release is not a one time thing. If it\'s produced in nature, it\'s usually continuous, constantly replenishing the atmosphere. The original researchers at Stanford conceded the hydropower methane requires study, but they excluded it because there\'s no data on it.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:31:16 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.

Of course it is. The average species last about ten million years.

What may be the saving grace of mankind - or social great apes - is that we are social animals who can collaborate on a large scale. In the short term, quite a lot of our collaboration has been destructive of the environment, but we are a pioneering species. Social animals tend to specialise, and we\'ve yet to work out a way of building that into the genome. Our successor species may do better.

Of course, if we get serious about genetic engineering we may well tackle the problem by intelligent design and bypass the whole speciation process.

We\'ll certainly need to do a bit of intelligent design on our social organisation in the process. The internet wasn\'t designed to provide reliable information - it was designed so that what goes in comes out exactly as it went in, but fact-checking what goes in wasn\'t part of the original prescription.

Books weren\'t much better - the fact that they took quite a lot of capital investment to put into print did block frivolous nonsense, but more seriously intentioned nonsense circulated widely, and still does, as John Larkin reminds us with his book recommendation, all carefully crafted to appeal to well-off right-wingers.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.

What do you mean by \"the environment\" ? The perfect, unchanging Eden
that existed before humans evolved from earlier life forms?

Did no other life forms affect that primal paradise, a bare ball of
oxygen-free rock, before we came along?

So, your \"destructive of the environment\" is a personal, moral,
arbitrary position. Any human-influenced change is evil.

Personally, I enjoy existing and designing electronics. You don\'t
enjoy either.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:20:40 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.
What do you mean by \"the environment\" ? The perfect, unchanging Eden
that existed before humans evolved from earlier life forms?

Did no other life forms affect that primal paradise, a bare ball of oxygen-free rock, before we came along?

\"Oxygen free rock\" does rather give the game away. Photosynthetic plants created the oxygen, and once they\'d dumped enough in the atmosphere - rather more than our 150 ppm of of CO2 - they could catch on fire and burn up, Anaerobic bacteria would have experienced it as a pollution disaster.

> So, your \"destructive of the environment\" is a personal, moral, arbitrary position.

Messing up the climate enough to make agriculture more difficult and less productive is clearly a bad thing - there\'s nothing personal or arbitary about that.

> Any human-influenced change is evil.

He hasn\'t made that case. Making the small-pox virus extinct is a human-induced change, and it can be seen as evil. If we can get rid of polio and measles (and we are pretty close) that would be petty good too.,

> Personally, I enjoy existing and designing electronics. You don\'t enjoy either.

You imagine you enjoy what you imagine to be designing electronics. The electronics may be real enough, but the design part depends on your definition of design - and since you don\'t discuss your design decisions it seems quite likely that you have a strange ideas about what might constitute the design process.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:31:16 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.
Of course it is. The average species last about ten million years.

What may be the saving grace of mankind - or social great apes - is that we are social animals who can collaborate on a large scale. In the short term, quite a lot of our collaboration has been destructive of the environment, but we are a pioneering species. Social animals tend to specialise, and we\'ve yet to work out a way of building that into the genome. Our successor species may do better.

Of course, if we get serious about genetic engineering we may well tackle the problem by intelligent design and bypass the whole speciation process.

Have they even found any genes linked to intelligence or emotional disposition? Makes no difference, they\'ll eventually settle on the lizard people transformation to buy time to figure things out.

We\'ll certainly need to do a bit of intelligent design on our social organisation in the process. The internet wasn\'t designed to provide reliable information - it was designed so that what goes in comes out exactly as it went in, but fact-checking what goes in wasn\'t part of the original prescription.

Books weren\'t much better - the fact that they took quite a lot of capital investment to put into print did block frivolous nonsense, but more seriously intentioned nonsense circulated widely, and still does, as John Larkin reminds us with his book recommendation, all carefully crafted to appeal to well-off right-wingers.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.
What do you mean by \"the environment\" ? The perfect, unchanging Eden
that existed before humans evolved from earlier life forms?

Did no other life forms affect that primal paradise, a bare ball of
oxygen-free rock, before we came along?

So, your \"destructive of the environment\" is a personal, moral,
arbitrary position. Any human-influenced change is evil.

Personally, I enjoy existing and designing electronics. You don\'t
enjoy either.

Lake Tahoe has higher concentration of microplastics than ocean trash heap:

Look at that mess-

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-14/lake-tahoe-troubling-concentration-microplastics

https://tahoe.ucdavis.edu/microplastics

Microplastic pollution equates to more gender dysphoria. Pregnant women should be ordered out of the area.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:20:40?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.
What do you mean by \"the environment\" ? The perfect, unchanging Eden
that existed before humans evolved from earlier life forms?

Did no other life forms affect that primal paradise, a bare ball of
oxygen-free rock, before we came along?

So, your \"destructive of the environment\" is a personal, moral,
arbitrary position. Any human-influenced change is evil.

Personally, I enjoy existing and designing electronics. You don\'t
enjoy either.

Lake Tahoe has higher concentration of microplastics than ocean trash heap:

Look at that mess-

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-14/lake-tahoe-troubling-concentration-microplastics

https://tahoe.ucdavis.edu/microplastics

Hilarious, \"Katie Senft flushes the trawl net of any remnants of
microplastics\". The researcher squirting a plastic net with a plastic
squeeze bottle into a plastic catcher gadget. I wonder how many of the
counted particles came from all that gear.

Microplastic pollution equates to more gender dysphoria. Pregnant women should be ordered out of the area.

Tahoe has under 6 microplastic particles per cubic meter near the
surface. Most is from the fabrics in swimwear, which would be fixed by
mandatory nudity.

The number of pollen particles must be 10,000x greater. My car was
covered with pine pollen last week.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s9568us43nr9qoptdo1uu/Paws_5.jpg?rlkey=2cjeqvif510a8w1qo6125tpiq&dl=0

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 7:20:40 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.

What do you mean by \"the environment\" ? The perfect, unchanging Eden
that existed before humans evolved from earlier life forms?

No, silly; he means the ecosystems, like old-growth forests and
whales migrating to feast on krill under antarctic ice... the things that
depend on each other in odd ways, that are becoming broken cycles
because of interference from fast-changing kinds of human interference.

Humans spread everywhere, and mass-produce their new habits... everywhere.

> Personally, I enjoy existing and designing electronics.

Yeah, but everything else you do is causing major problems. The turtle
pulls his head in and ignores problems, that\'s the Larkin approach as well.
Humans, though, can solve problems, once they recognize them.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 7:20:40?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.

What do you mean by \"the environment\" ? The perfect, unchanging Eden
that existed before humans evolved from earlier life forms?

No, silly; he means the ecosystems, like old-growth forests and
whales migrating to feast on krill under antarctic ice... the things that
depend on each other in odd ways, that are becoming broken cycles
because of interference from fast-changing kinds of human interference.

Humans spread everywhere, and mass-produce their new habits... everywhere.

Fungi did that. Insects too.

Personally, I enjoy existing and designing electronics.

Yeah, but everything else you do is causing major problems. The turtle
pulls his head in and ignores problems, that\'s the Larkin approach as well.
Humans, though, can solve problems, once they recognize them.

Since you can define \"problems\" we can un-define them away.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:00:55 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:31:16 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:31:03 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:51:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Decades of research suggests that hydropower has a far greater climate impact than once thought.

Accumulation of biomatter in huge unnatural bodies of water called reservoirs decomposes into atmospheric release of methane.

And it\'s not just hydropower reservoirs, it\'s any kind of reservoir. Hydropower probably by far has the largest reservoirs, but the alternative use reservoirs are much greater in number and probably exceed the hydropower emissions.

Scandinavia is very big into hydropower.

There\'s not a lot of data available.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/14072023/todays-climate-hydropower-methane-clean-energy/
Oh dear. We\'re all dead now for sure, this time, again.

The takeaway is that every single thing mankind does is destructive of the environment. And the takeaway from that is mankind\'s presence on Earth is temporary.
Of course it is. The average species last about ten million years.

What may be the saving grace of mankind - or social great apes - is that we are social animals who can collaborate on a large scale. In the short term, quite a lot of our collaboration has been destructive of the environment, but we are a pioneering species. Social animals tend to specialise, and we\'ve yet to work out a way of building that into the genome. Our successor species may do better.

Of course, if we get serious about genetic engineering we may well tackle the problem by intelligent design and bypass the whole speciation process.

Have they even found any genes linked to intelligence or emotional disposition? Makes no difference, they\'ll eventually settle on the lizard people transformation to buy time to figure things out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_(book)

talks about how they\'ve found thousand of genes and single nucleotide polymorphisms that - individually - have very small effects on intelligence and emotional disposition, but collectively have a significant effect.

The takeaway message is that we need to learn a lot more about what\'s going on in the brain when people think and have emotional reactions, but it is clear that the genome really matters, even if we don\'t yet know exactly how..

\"The lizard people transformation\" would involve grossly simplify the processes going on in the brain, probably eliminating the capacity to do the more complicated stuff that makes us human, even if it let us do the simpler stuff over a wider range of temperatures.

<snipped the stuff that Fred couldn\'t be bothered to process>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 5:53:24 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 7:20:40?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Yeah, but everything else you do is causing major problems. The turtle
pulls his head in and ignores problems, that\'s the Larkin approach as well.

Humans, though, can solve problems, once they recognize them.

Since you can define \"problems\" we can un-define them away.

That isn\'t solving them. Problems ignored have a way of getting worse to the point where even the most empty-headed Pollyanna can\'t persist in their denial.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney